I'm aware of when Ninja Blade is coming out, but I remember it being used as a killer title. Maybe it was just for the beginning of the year and not to compete against Killzone 2. And it's "laughable" that I don't think Lost and Damned is a game? Should I consider the map packs for Halo, Call of Duty, or Gears of War games now? After all, I can play them. They're downloadable content. Thus, they must be games. Yet I don't remember people marking the release dates for the Legendary map packs as some sort of threat against the PS3. Don't forget that Halo 3 has sold more than GTA4 and has a larger online community. The name for GTA may be bigger than Killzone but that still has very little to do with sales of a DLC pack. Those who plan to buy Lost and Damned probably already bought GTA4 on the 360, and I doubt it will be that much more effective than when it was first announced god-knows-how-long-ago.

 How will internet forum hype make its way to the average consumer that doesnt spend time on gaming forums? lol cmon.......

Even if it were true, those people would walk into a store, see the $400-$500 price.........and half the people will then and there either walk away or see what the 360/Wii offers.

The PS3 price is keeping its AAA games from really being system sellers.

@Hammer

If the DLC was disc based, you would have something there, but its not. So if anything people who still have GTAIV might buy it, but it won't move consoles. Now if Halo ODST came out around KZ2, that would be comparable, but most of you are grabbing at straws.

 Now I agree with you that GTAIV expansion won't do anything to Killzone's sales but saying its like a map pack is just stupid. Its like saying that Wrath of the Lich king isn't a game either.

Read my post again, I said it will not be a big system seller but fanboys on gaming sites make it the second coming of Jesus. Killzone 2 will not sell systems but what it will do is sell very well, with Killzone 2 I see a game which will sell 4M LTD but not sell many systems.

If, sorry when Sony fuck up advertising again word of mouth will give the game legs, much like COD 4 did. I enevr paid much attention to games before, then a friend told me that COD 4 was awesome and I went and purchased. If the Beta and early reviews are anything to go by then the same will happen with Killzone 2.

I will do what makes me happy, although I don't see why that has anything to do with anything. And if you're not concerned about Killzone 2, claiming that the 360 has plenty of shooters already and that it won't be any competition for Halo: ODST, then why bother making this thread? Plus, you say you don't think Killzone 2 could approach even 1/4 of Halo: ODST's sales? I don't know what kind of sales totals you're expecting but they're not very realistic. I may have fun with Killzone 2, I may not. I haven't made up my mind on whether to purchase it or not. Ninja Blade could be good, but the Famitsu review isn't promising.

 Thats just it.....those were "map packs". GTA: LAD is gettign 10 hours of single player campaign plus new multiplayer modes. Its a full-blown expansion, much like Halo 3: ODST is. They are meaty expansions that have more then new multiplayer add-ons, thats why they are called games.

The DLC will also take up retail space, probably a thin box with the download number inside. MS is making this thing known to the average consumer, not just those with a LIVE account. The avergae consumer will see a new GTA experience and many might just buy a Arcade for it, since it is GTA after all.

But again, this will only do so much. The combined sales and hype of GTA: LAD, Star Ocean, Halo Wars, and even lesser hyped exclusives like Stoked and Race Pro, even multiplats like Street fighter 4 and RE5, KZ2 will almost be lost in the hype of the other titles.

 Dude, you are dellusional. It is not a map pack DLC, it has a brand new 10 hour campaign along with new characters, story and vehicles...you tell me that is the same as a 800 point MAP PACK? Clearly, you don't own a x360. I guess the PS3 DLC is all MAP PACK an furniture for HOME. J/K :)

Apparently I'm the only one focusing on advertisements as the means of competition between these launches.

So many games (or whatever you want to call them) in big franchises launching near each other will probably drive up the price of advertising, and spread out the viewers' / readers' attention from each title. Killzone being a franchise which is not big (not yet at least) might suffer the most among the names of GTA, RE and Halo.

The hype for Killzone 2 is almost that of MGS4. I don't think your prediction is too far off, whether it will deserve it or not. Plus, it looks like Call of Duty: Killzone from a consumer stand point, and that'll sell it fine. If Sqeenix made Star Ocean LOOK like FF then it'd probably sell a good bit off of that fact. Which I'm actually thinking they did do :P. Now all they need to do is market it like a Final Fantasy.