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I can tell this was written by a hardcore gamer (he/she mentions Wii Music as a bad game. Clear sign).

It's ironic that 2k say that because they are part of the problem. The bad Wii games are the fault of third parties. Many will say "Oh, the Wii has limited capabilities" or "Only Nintendo games will sell," but these are excuses and nothing more. Third parties really need to step it up.



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There are reviews and then there is popular opinion.

Since the Yahoo article used an analogy between the movies and video games, let me continue those thoughts.

Who can name what movie won the Oscar for Best Picture last year? What movies were nominated? The year before?

What were the most popular movies last year? The year before?

What is the intersection between those two sets? Fairly small, isn't it? And which movies did you see?

Artistic success does not necessarily translate to commercial success. With respect to the Wii, it means that the 5-10 points that some reviewers seem to automatically deduct from the games because they are not in HD (see the IGN reviews of Wii Puzzle Quest) or because they use a different control scheme than what they consider to be "standard" or because they are hypercritical of Wii games (see the usually level-headed Chris Koller of Wired's review of MKWii) often makes high review scores nearly impossible to achieve.

Most consumers are smart. They know that a $20 new game at release is basically the same as a direct-to-DVD movie. But they figure it is worth a giggle if they elect to spend money on it. That piece of shovelware is less expensive than a trip to the movies for a family of four -- and that is even if they don't go to the concession stand -- and probably provides more lasting entertainment than the 85-minute movie. Put in that context, some of those games don't look nearly as bad.

Another sign is that Carnival Games: Mini Golf appears to be tracking below the original. Both were not well-received by critics. But while you could not find CG in stores for months at a time (andit still sells for full retail 18 months after release -- unheard of for almost any game that's not first-party Nintendo). CG:MG has seen its sales fall off after the Christmas rush. So it is quite ironic who is complaining about bad games on Wii -- the head of 2K games (which started 2K Play after the success of CG).

http://vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=America&game1=Carnival+Games+-+Wii&reg2=America&game2=Carnival+Games%3A+Mini+Golf+-+Wii&reg3=Japan&game3=&weeks=50

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Yeah...because the other systems don't have flaws or Shovelware....  And review sites are the epitome of accurate and rate Wii games on the same level as everything else...

 

Its because these review sites rate all Wii games on the same level as GTAIV and MGSIV that no Wii game is ever rated correctly.  When your ratings system is based off one of the most popular game of the generation with the best graphics, then all the games below them are rated incorrectly.



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Smashchu2 said:
I can tell this was written by a hardcore gamer (he/she mentions Wii Music as a bad game. Clear sign).

It's ironic that 2k say that because they are part of the problem. The bad Wii games are the fault of third parties. Many will say "Oh, the Wii has limited capabilities" or "Only Nintendo games will sell," but these are excuses and nothing more. Third parties really need to step it up.

 

Wii Music got bad reveiws and looked like down right embarising at E3.

 

Agree with everything on the second part, third party devs need to use more effort.



SnowFlow said:
Smashchu2 said:
I can tell this was written by a hardcore gamer (he/she mentions Wii Music as a bad game. Clear sign).

It's ironic that 2k say that because they are part of the problem. The bad Wii games are the fault of third parties. Many will say "Oh, the Wii has limited capabilities" or "Only Nintendo games will sell," but these are excuses and nothing more. Third parties really need to step it up.

 

Wii Music got bad reveiws and looked like down right embarising at E3.

 

Agree with everything on the second part, third party devs need to use more effort.

The problem is all critics are "hardcore" dorks and do not reflect what is a good game or not. The consumer does though. Games like Psychonauts were loved by critics and thought everyone should get it. In contrast, they hated Wii Music (Matt from IGN said he couldn't wait for the game so he could bash it). I ask you, which one sold more?

Critics are very unreliable. They are a marketing tool and nothing more. Their scores are used to try and get people to buy games; this is why they support "artistic" games and rate those games higher. They are not reflective of how good the product is. They are also driven by factors such as money. I am a better opinion on Wii Music as I have nothing to gain or lose from reviewing a game.


Artistic success does not necessarily translate to commercial success. With respect to the Wii, it means that the 5-10 points that some reviewers seem to automatically deduct from the games because they are not in HD (see the IGN reviews of Wii Puzzle Quest) or because they use a different control scheme than what they consider to be "standard" or because they are hypercritical of Wii games (see the usually level-headed Chris Koller of Wired's review of MKWii) often makes high review scores nearly impossible to achieve.

 



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well then don't buy the shovelware! why people gives too much importance? I never heard anybody complain about the shovelware on the PS2



We need Nintendo to bring back their seal of quality. Over see all 3rd party release. The the wii will have like no games lol ( seriously we have a little problem with shovelware)



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The Wii does have a lot of shovelware, but judging by the sales I'd say it ain't no thang.

The cold hard fact is that the quantity beats quality. People want choice above all else, this has been proven true generation after generation.



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Why do I have an urge to go and buy 65 wiis?



Bobbuffalo said:
well then don't buy the shovelware! why people gives too much importance? I never heard anybody complain about the shovelware on the PS2

And not all of it is even Shovelware.  I've bought some great games on the Wii because of the absence of 'high quality' Third party games causing me to look for something in its absence.  And I actually found some really good games.  From Pinball Hall of Fame The WIlliams Collection (awesome Pinball game) to the LEGO series to all the Wii Zapper games.  Some people are just downplaying nearly all the stuff on the Wii because of the large amount of 'Bratz Kidz' or 'Imagine' or 'Brain Teaser' titles.  Or the fact that nothing has come out on the system to compete with the higher level XBOX360 titles in effort and graphics.

 

But again, that is the fault of the Third Parties and not the Wii.

 



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