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Kasz216 on 23 January 2009
axumblade said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
and P.S.......Disgeaa and Valkarie are of the SRPG genre, thats strategy rpg, and not necessarily a Jrpg.

So scratch those 2 off the PS3 list.

What is the definetion of a JRPG? I thought it was a Japanese Role Playing Game. Both games are made in Japan and I think qualify as they are both some type of an RPG.

That's not what has been argued to me recently.

What they argue is that a JRPG is a certain style of RPG, with certain chacters, plots and usually one outcome.

Well you can talk that route too, but regardless, the outcome is the same.

If by that you mean SRPGS not being JRPGS i'd agree.

They're really a lot different.

Its like saying Gears of War and Resistance 2 are in the same genre because they're both about fighting aliens and linear.

One is a FPS game, the other is a TPS.

Or Rise of Nations and Civilization are the same because they're both about taking over the world and have no stories.

Strategy RPGs have more differences with JRPGs then FPS do with TPS...  and the fanbases are more divergent... the only reason you'd include them is wanting to prove a point one way or another and you want to massage the data.

Actually...I've always seen civilization under Real Time Strategy...May count as an RPG but it would still have the RT in the front of it. so it would be an RTSRPG I suppose...

 

Except Civilization isn't either...

It's a turn based strategy game.

 



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Kasz216 on 23 January 2009
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
and P.S.......Disgeaa and Valkarie are of the SRPG genre, thats strategy rpg, and not necessarily a Jrpg.

So scratch those 2 off the PS3 list.

What is the definetion of a JRPG? I thought it was a Japanese Role Playing Game. Both games are made in Japan and I think qualify as they are both some type of an RPG.

That's not what has been argued to me recently.

What they argue is that a JRPG is a certain style of RPG, with certain chacters, plots and usually one outcome.

Well you can talk that route too, but regardless, the outcome is the same.

If by that you mean SRPGS not being JRPGS i'd agree.

They're really a lot different.

Its like saying Gears of War and Resistance 2 are in the same genre because they're both about fighting aliens and linear.

One is a FPS game, the other is a TPS.

Or Rise of Nations and Civilization are the same because they're both about taking over the world and have no stories.

Strategy RPGs have more differences with JRPGs then FPS do with TPS...  and the fanbases are more divergent... the only reason you'd include them is wanting to prove a point one way or another and you want to massage the data.

Well, SRPGs play differently in gameplay but are also similar to almost all turn based JRPGs. Both involve taking turns and some games force you time attacks and use strategy.

Gears and Resistance do fit into the shooter category though. While both play differently (TPS vs. FPS) you can still classify them as Shooters.

And most combine SRPGs with total JRPGs because we get such a small amount of both of them.

Those are all horrible reasons.  "There aren't that many"

FPS and TPS are shooters, but when have you ever seen a shooter genre?

JRPGS and SRPGS are both RPGS.  Not both JRPGS.

After all it's not like Japan is the only people to make SRPGS...

and American SRPGS are identical to Japanese SRPGS in most ways.

See Gladius, Future Tactics and Rebel Star Tactics Command for examples.

You'd be hard pressed to find much difference between for example Future Tactics and Valkria Chronicles except for the fact that one is better.

Or Gladius and most "traditional" SRPGS.

While Rebelstar plays a lot like shooter SRPGs once again with similar themes.

 



johnathonmerritt on 23 January 2009

I started a similar thread to this on ps3trophies.org. I was reffering to the downhill run of Square. Square is the main JRPG producer. Since Final Fantasy 12, they have only released two games that have broken a million copies. FF3 for the DS and Crisis Core for the PSP. They need to stop clinging onto Microsoft just for the payoffs. JRPGs sell on Japanese consoles. This has been proven over the last three years. Square will either embrace Nintendo and Sony or they will fail.



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jammy2211 on 23 January 2009
johnathonmerritt said:

I started a similar thread to this on ps3trophies.org. I was reffering to the downhill run of Square. Square is the main JRPG producer. Since Final Fantasy 12, they have only released two games that have broken a million copies. FF3 for the DS and Crisis Core for the PSP. They need to stop clinging onto Microsoft just for the payoffs. JRPGs sell on Japanese consoles. This has been proven over the last three years. Square will either embrace Nintendo and Sony or they will fail.

 

I'm not sure if by "Square" you're excluding Enix or something but...

Dragon Quest IV
Dragon Quest V
Dragon Warrior Monsters: Joker
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy XII: Revenent Wings

 All broke a million, and Dissidia will in Japan in a few weeks.

But yeah, if they're gonna develope on a console it's gotta be PS360 or Wii.



Hammer-of-Dawn on 23 January 2009
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Kasz216 said:
outlawauron said:
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
and P.S.......Disgeaa and Valkarie are of the SRPG genre, thats strategy rpg, and not necessarily a Jrpg.

So scratch those 2 off the PS3 list.

What is the definetion of a JRPG? I thought it was a Japanese Role Playing Game. Both games are made in Japan and I think qualify as they are both some type of an RPG.

That's not what has been argued to me recently.

What they argue is that a JRPG is a certain style of RPG, with certain chacters, plots and usually one outcome.

Well you can talk that route too, but regardless, the outcome is the same.

If by that you mean SRPGS not being JRPGS i'd agree.

They're really a lot different.

Its like saying Gears of War and Resistance 2 are in the same genre because they're both about fighting aliens and linear.

One is a FPS game, the other is a TPS.

Or Rise of Nations and Civilization are the same because they're both about taking over the world and have no stories.

Strategy RPGs have more differences with JRPGs then FPS do with TPS...  and the fanbases are more divergent... the only reason you'd include them is wanting to prove a point one way or another and you want to massage the data.

 

And most combine SRPGs with total JRPGs because we get such a small amount of both of them.

well that only applies to the PS3 fanbase as 360 has enough Jrpgs to warrant us from listing 360s SRPG offerings.

 



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outlawauron on 23 January 2009
Hammer-of-Dawn said:
outlawauron said:

And most combine SRPGs with total JRPGs because we get such a small amount of both of them.

well that only applies to the PS3 fanbase as 360 has enough Jrpgs to warrant us from listing 360s SRPG offerings.

I think it's sad whenever anyone thinks five games qualify as a big or big enough list.



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