Hus said: dtewi said: "Sony's first party games are on a level that Nintendo and Microsoft just can not reach." Okay, we'll just wait until one of Sony's first party games sells above 19 million. And let's just wait until one Sony games stops the entire industry from failing. Nintendo has far better first party. Let's just wait until ratchet is as big as a game of Mario. lets wait untill Nintendo makes a real mature action game like GoW, lets wait untill they make a real racer that breaks 10 million.

 Sony's in-house output is a lot better than a lot think, in terms of sales and quality (as this site, and gamerankings show), but you can't claim Sony is better by insisting on specific types of games they have, that Nintendo should do. I could counter that Sony should have a truly great mascot, and not rely on those by second parties. I could also counter that Sony should make an RPG that sells 10 million copies.

 The thing is that Sony and Nintendo make their own types of games, so you can't say which is better by insisting one should have the same content as the other.

Rath said: Hus said: dtewi said: "Sony's first party games are on a level that Nintendo and Microsoft just can not reach." Okay, we'll just wait until one of Sony's first party games sells above 19 million. And let's just wait until one Sony games stops the entire industry from failing. Nintendo has far better first party. Let's just wait until ratchet is as big as a game of Mario. lets wait untill Nintendo makes a real mature action game like GoW, lets wait untill they make a real racer that breaks 10 million. A few points here Hus. Firstly, does it matter what type of games they make? They are still the untouchable first party developer and neither Sony nor MS look like they're going to change that. Mario and Zelda are probably the two biggest franchises in the market at the moment, with only a few other franchises that can challenge them (GT, GTA, FF and Halo). Also GoW is not a mature game, its got mature content yes, but its essentially a hack'n'slash. I would call say, Bioshock a mature action game, something thats slightly deeper than GoW.

Challnage them, when was the laast time a Zelda or Mario game came near 15 Million.

Its not mature, he murdered his family his whole world revolves around revange. Thats are not mature themes for you ?

 

R&C is 2nd party same as Resistance(both by Insomniac).GT easily trumps any racer Nintendo or MS throw at it.InFamous looks good.Eight Days looks abit like GTA.Uncharted may be Sony's Tomb Raider.Heavenly Sword has got good reviews so far at 10/10,9/10 and 9/10.LAIR has gotten around 7/10 on most reviews.Heavy Rain is like Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy and its the same devs(it might be 2nd party),Warhawk looks set to be a great multiplayer,Killzone2 if it lives up to the hype might be better than Halo*,White Knight Story RPG set to take JPN and NA,PAL by storm and hopefully sell 10million(doubt it).

*Dont flame me for this i just dont like Halo that much so it wouldnt be hard in my books but it looks alot better than Halo and if all goes well will get alot of 10/10 reviews.Xbox fans i am not blasphemising so calm down and dont flame me.

Hus said: Rath said: Hus said: dtewi said: "Sony's first party games are on a level that Nintendo and Microsoft just can not reach." Okay, we'll just wait until one of Sony's first party games sells above 19 million. And let's just wait until one Sony games stops the entire industry from failing. Nintendo has far better first party. Let's just wait until ratchet is as big as a game of Mario. lets wait untill Nintendo makes a real mature action game like GoW, lets wait untill they make a real racer that breaks 10 million. A few points here Hus. Firstly, does it matter what type of games they make? They are still the untouchable first party developer and neither Sony nor MS look like they're going to change that. Mario and Zelda are probably the two biggest franchises in the market at the moment, with only a few other franchises that can challenge them (GT, GTA, FF and Halo). Also GoW is not a mature game, its got mature content yes, but its essentially a hack'n'slash. I would call say, Bioshock a mature action game, something thats slightly deeper than GoW.   Challnage them, when was the laast time a Zelda or Mario game came near 15 Million. Its not mature, he murdered his family his whole world revolves around revange. Thats are not mature themes for you ?

 He didn't mean the plot of GoW. It was the over-the-top violence, the boob shots, and a whole feel that was more out of a comic book than actual mythology.

 As for 15 million, it's been about 6 years since a Sony game came close either, and New Super Mario has already sold over 10 million, so this is not a legit way to prove Sony's output is better.

I am a sony fan too, but having said that, its not really the sony software that makes the PS brand appealing, its the japanese third party stuff.

I think Sony were just incredibly lucky with the PS1, Nintendo were dragging their heels as usual, they were reluctant to bury their highly succesful SNES and this gave sony a chance to wow everyone with some of the biggest changes in the industry. The PS1 had alot of wow factor that just came with the fact it used CD rom, nothing to do with marketting or system specs, this thing used an exciting new medium.
On top of this, sega (like nintendo) couldnt compete on price, they HAD to make a profit and so the saturn was uncomfortably priced at 1/3rd more expensive, on the back of their last few failed add ons, this wasnt good at all.

Sony were trendy back then too, (we had Sony walkman, not apple iPod), and they marketted the PS1 accordingly, it made gaming cool again, if you didnt have a PS1, you just wern't with it!

I think the general failings of the competition just gave sony the chance to run away with it, and with squaresoft onboard and the backing of almost every major software house, the had it made. I think piracy also played a HUGE part in its success over the competition too.

The PS2 pretty much rode the wave of the PS1, Again it had a new disk format that people wanted, it had the promise of all the same games that made the PS1 so great, it even played PS1 games so you didnt have to wait for a stella PS2 game to come along. Again, there was very little competition, sega were dying off under the weight of the PS2's hype well before the machine was due to be released, thanks to the PS1.

Now in the case of the PS3, they made a few key errors, this time the were puching a media format that people didnt really want, or atleast they were unsure about. They are pushing a Hd machine to a market that mostly doesnt even have a HDTV, and on top of this, we are expected to pay an incredibly high price for all this.
They were pushing the same games, but this time the improvement in graphics wasnt half as impressive, added tot he fact the 360 was already established and was doing these same games already.
I think the tables pretty much turned back in nintendos favour, the reluctance to invest in a new HDTV, a new disk format and and at such a price made the wii a safe bet for alot of people and the 360 just helped matters in that direction, chipping away at the hype that was so easy to push the previous 2 generation.

I dont think the PS3 will in anyway destroy the PS brand, but i think it will teach sony a big lesson, the same lesson nintendo recieved with the last 2 generations.

LordTheNightKnight said: Hus said: Rath said: Hus said: dtewi said: "Sony's first party games are on a level that Nintendo and Microsoft just can not reach." Okay, we'll just wait until one of Sony's first party games sells above 19 million. And let's just wait until one Sony games stops the entire industry from failing. Nintendo has far better first party. Let's just wait until ratchet is as big as a game of Mario. lets wait untill Nintendo makes a real mature action game like GoW, lets wait untill they make a real racer that breaks 10 million. A few points here Hus. Firstly, does it matter what type of games they make? They are still the untouchable first party developer and neither Sony nor MS look like they're going to change that. Mario and Zelda are probably the two biggest franchises in the market at the moment, with only a few other franchises that can challenge them (GT, GTA, FF and Halo). Also GoW is not a mature game, its got mature content yes, but its essentially a hack'n'slash. I would call say, Bioshock a mature action game, something thats slightly deeper than GoW.   Challnage them, when was the laast time a Zelda or Mario game came near 15 Million. Its not mature, he murdered his family his whole world revolves around revange. Thats are not mature themes for you ?    He didn't mean the plot of GoW. It was the over-the-top violence, the boob shots, and a whole feel that was more out of a comic book than actual mythology.  As for 15 million, it's been about 6 years since a Sony game came close either, and New Super Mario has already sold over 10 million, so this is not a legit way to prove Sony's output is better.

Just because it sold 10million doesnt mean its better nessacerely i believe in "Quality over Quantity" which is why i have boycotted Zelda and Mario games for 5years because i found them repetitive and couldnt stand them anymore.There is just alot of Mario and Zelda fans thats why it sells 10million its a well established franchise like FF,GT and GTA are.

mitsuhide said: LordTheNightKnight said: Hus said: Rath said: Hus said: dtewi said: "Sony's first party games are on a level that Nintendo and Microsoft just can not reach." Okay, we'll just wait until one of Sony's first party games sells above 19 million. And let's just wait until one Sony games stops the entire industry from failing. Nintendo has far better first party. Let's just wait until ratchet is as big as a game of Mario. lets wait untill Nintendo makes a real mature action game like GoW, lets wait untill they make a real racer that breaks 10 million. A few points here Hus. Firstly, does it matter what type of games they make? They are still the untouchable first party developer and neither Sony nor MS look like they're going to change that. Mario and Zelda are probably the two biggest franchises in the market at the moment, with only a few other franchises that can challenge them (GT, GTA, FF and Halo). Also GoW is not a mature game, its got mature content yes, but its essentially a hack'n'slash. I would call say, Bioshock a mature action game, something thats slightly deeper than GoW.   Challnage them, when was the laast time a Zelda or Mario game came near 15 Million. Its not mature, he murdered his family his whole world revolves around revange. Thats are not mature themes for you ?   He didn't mean the plot of GoW. It was the over-the-top violence, the boob shots, and a whole feel that was more out of a comic book than actual mythology. As for 15 million, it's been about 6 years since a Sony game came close either, and New Super Mario has already sold over 10 million, so this is not a legit way to prove Sony's output is better. Just because it sold 10million doesnt mean its better nessacerely i believe in "Quality over Quantity" which is why i have boycotted Zelda and Mario games for 5years because i found them repetitive and couldnt stand them anymore.There is just alot of Mario and Zelda fans thats why it sells 10million its a well established franchise like FF,GT and GTA are.

 Try reading all the quotes in here. You clearly got my comment out of context. If you hontestly don't get why I brought up the numbers, I will tell you.

New Super Mario Bros. - 10.52 million

No game on any Sony or Microsoft console has ever broken 15 million units. Only 10 games have ever done that, one of which is PC (The Sims), the rest are Nintendo titles.

Also, regarding your "10 million unit racing game" challenge, it should be noted that Mario Kart 64 pulled 9.87 million. The only two racing games to sell better are the original Gran Turismo (10.85m) and Gran Turismo 3 A-Spec (14.87m).

LordTheNightKnight said: mitsuhide said: LordTheNightKnight said: Hus said: Rath said: Hus said: dtewi said: "Sony's first party games are on a level that Nintendo and Microsoft just can not reach." Okay, we'll just wait until one of Sony's first party games sells above 19 million. And let's just wait until one Sony games stops the entire industry from failing. Nintendo has far better first party. Let's just wait until ratchet is as big as a game of Mario. lets wait untill Nintendo makes a real mature action game like GoW, lets wait untill they make a real racer that breaks 10 million. A few points here Hus. Firstly, does it matter what type of games they make? They are still the untouchable first party developer and neither Sony nor MS look like they're going to change that. Mario and Zelda are probably the two biggest franchises in the market at the moment, with only a few other franchises that can challenge them (GT, GTA, FF and Halo). Also GoW is not a mature game, its got mature content yes, but its essentially a hack'n'slash. I would call say, Bioshock a mature action game, something thats slightly deeper than GoW.   Challnage them, when was the laast time a Zelda or Mario game came near 15 Million. Its not mature, he murdered his family his whole world revolves around revange. Thats are not mature themes for you ?   He didn't mean the plot of GoW. It was the over-the-top violence, the boob shots, and a whole feel that was more out of a comic book than actual mythology. As for 15 million, it's been about 6 years since a Sony game came close either, and New Super Mario has already sold over 10 million, so this is not a legit way to prove Sony's output is better. Just because it sold 10million doesnt mean its better nessacerely i believe in "Quality over Quantity" which is why i have boycotted Zelda and Mario games for 5years because i found them repetitive and couldnt stand them anymore.There is just alot of Mario and Zelda fans thats why it sells 10million its a well established franchise like FF,GT and GTA are.  Try reading all the quotes in here. You clearly got my comment out of context. If you hontestly don't get why I brought up the numbers, I will tell you.

 Apart from to make Mario and Zelda titles seem more popular which they are.The genre doesnt matter.

mitsuhide, his point is that Hus was arguing about sales figures, so he responded with sales figures.

It's kind of hard to hold a debate when you have one opponent claiming sales are paramount and another claiming quality over quantity. :