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mesoteto said:
Ps3 said:
Bird's also lay like 5 eggs, a mother seal lays 1 baby a year.. Major difference. That's irrelevant to this situation.

 

no it not you made mention of bringing over a new preditor to help control the situation insted of hunting

 

this is what happens when you move speacies and take away or introduce predators

 

 

take them from some palce and introduce them to teh seals and you will have two things

 

 

where ever you took them fromm will have a pop boom of their food types and where ever you put them in unless there is a nother natural pred to help control pop they will have a bloom and insted of seals we have polar bears and shark hunts

Like I said already, even if we wanted to introduce natural predators in the regions that the Canadian seal hunt occurs, these animals would die anyway.  Quebec get too warm in the summer and would cause polar bears and walruses to die of heat exposure, and the only predatory shark that could survive in the gulf of the St. Lawrence would be a bull shark, and they don't live in waters as cold as the Gulf of the St. Lawrence.

 



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ohh i am not saying it would work i am just saying the eco system is a very balanced thing

and even if you found one it would be disastrous to introduce it to the situation



 

Ps3 said:
largedarryl said:
@PS3, I am only referring to the seal population in Canada, but the population in Canada is estimated to be roughly 3 times higher than what it was in the 1970's. So from environmental studies in Canada, there is no possibility of these seal species becoming endangered. Also once an animal is declared as endangered, there are international bodies that start making things illegal.

But why should we even chance them being endangered.. It's still mean.

So what chance is there that the harp seal could become indangered, based on the info in my post?  If I were a betting man, it would seem like a sure win for me.

 



mesoteto said:
ohh i am not saying it would work i am just saying the eco system is a very balanced thing

and even if you found one it would be disastrous to introduce it to the situation

Also what I've been saying what would happen if humans stopped hunting the seals in the St. Lawrence area.  The natives would have been hunting seals for centuries (hence a balanced ecosystem was created by having humans controlling seal populations), if we decide to just stop now, we potentially throw off this balance causing unknown amounts of damage to more than just the seals.

 



Seal hunters are nasty mothers.

Man is very cruel to other species. He only cares about his own kind. Killing animals is a lot worse than racism but no one talks about this.



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Slimebeast said:
Seal hunters are nasty mothers.

Man is very cruel to other species. He only cares about his own kind. Killing animals is a lot worse than racism but no one talks about this.

So filling a house with poison to kill cockroaches is worse than racism? 

 

Last time I checked racism leads to things like the Holocaust, the KKK, Rhuanda genocides, etc.

 



largedarryl said:
Slimebeast said:
Seal hunters are nasty mothers.

Man is very cruel to other species. He only cares about his own kind. Killing animals is a lot worse than racism but no one talks about this.

So filling a house with poison to kill cockroaches is worse than racism? 

 

Last time I checked racism leads to things like the Holocaust, the KKK, Rhuanda genocides, etc.

 

I'm not talking about bugs.

Racism combined with other worse things like cruelty can lead to killing of innocents yes. That's not good.

But killing a human child of 4 years old is considered to be the worst crime possible, while killing a monkey or a dolfin that is emotionally and intellectually at the same level as a 4 year child is perfectly legal.

That's hypcritical and worse than racism.



I find it disturbing that most of these arguments would actually work when applied to whaling. They're intelligent (WAY smarter than seals), the way people kill them is very inhumane, and many species are endangered or extinct. I fail to see how you can be so passionate about seals for the reasons you gave and not talk about whaling, which is an actual dire issue.



Slimebeast said:
largedarryl said:
Slimebeast said:
Seal hunters are nasty mothers.

Man is very cruel to other species. He only cares about his own kind. Killing animals is a lot worse than racism but no one talks about this.

So filling a house with poison to kill cockroaches is worse than racism? 

 

Last time I checked racism leads to things like the Holocaust, the KKK, Rhuanda genocides, etc.

 

I'm not talking about bugs.

Racism combined with other worse things like cruelty can lead to killing of innocents yes. That's not good.

But killing a human child of 4 years old is considered to be the worst crime possible, while killing a monkey or a dolfin that is emotionally and intellectually at the same level as a 4 year child is perfectly legal.

That's hypcritical and worse than racism.

We are not talking about monkeys or dolphins (although I still see them as less important than a human) being killed, but seals.

Hypocritacal, I think not, Human != any animal.  Last time I checked higher order brain functions do not make an animal the same as a human.

 



^no monkey or dolphin occurring in the wild is at the same level as a year old

one that is trained can reach that level