akuma587 on 19 January 2009
The_vagabond7 said:
Alright, then let me add a fine distinction of terms, that social freedom is different from morality. Akuma isn't contradicting anything by imposing social freedom. Because in the case of imposing social freedom, nothing is being imposed. Nothing is being taken away, nothing is being forced. Morality can be imposed because it forces somebody to do something. Social freedom cannot be imposed because it doesn't force a person to do anything. So his saying "Let people do this if they choose" is very different from saying "Do not ever do this". One imposes the other allows.
He isn't saying "under no circumstances ever think to yourself that gays will go to hell" that would be imposing morality and would be hypocritical. What he's saying is "let them do as they please". Which isn't a restriction, which is what the ban imposes. One is a negative the other a neutral. Social freedom =/= morality
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I am advocating taken certain freedoms away, like the freedom to kill people, but that is because there is a consensus in society that killing people is harmful and in reality it is harmful.
I'm not saying that society always makes the best choices in taking certain freedoms away, but that I prefer a society to make an informed decision based on evidence, facts, and the legal norms (which admittedly change over time, but which you have to work with because all of this stuff usually involves the law at some point or another) within a country rather than solely on religious beliefs or even a-religious morality. I am perfectly fine with allowing those beliefs to "inform" the decisions a society makes, but I am not fine with allowing those beliefs to "control" the decisions a society makes.
But the freedoms I am advocating are like what you said. People are still entitled to believe whatever the hell they want. I don't care if you hate black people, think gay people will go to hell, or think that chicken noodle soup is better than tuna casserole. That is your opinion and is between you and whatever deity or lack thereof you believe in.
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