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Jo21 said:
Domicinator said:
star_city said:
worthless thread..seriously...
developers already said that the ps3 and 360 has there own unique power..
we all kno the ps3 is stronger in terms of raw power and pushing out good good Grpxh

EPIC FAIL!!!!

 

A.  I didn't write the interview, I just posted it.

B.  Contrary to your comment, the guy in the above article was the chief architect for Sony's system.  Therefore, his comments are anything but worthless.  Considering all the the things that get posted on this forum, I would think the chief architect of the guts of the PS3 would probably be considered a knowledgeable source.  But that's just me.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Who's he to say, right?  He just designed the damn thing.

C.  No, this interview sort of disproves the "raw power" thing.  What it's really saying is that there is give and take on each system.  Pros and cons.  Hits and misses.  Certain software will take advantage of one better than the other, and vice versa.  Just because the PS3 can fold protein does not mean it is the ultimate gaming machine.  My calculator can do long division, but that doesn't mean I can play Tetris on it.

that doesn't make sense and here is why.

maths never lie if we look into floating point calculitons you only need 4 SPU to match xenon theorical maximum (that actually never reach either).

that left other 2 SPU and PPU.

at most cell it's 30-40% more powerful.

as for power ps3 it's the ultimate gaming machine in console market, anyone with brain and enough info on CPU will tell you that the thing is putting in sync 6 SPU and a PPE is not an easy task.

a calculator doesn't have the CPU power to play tetris (unless you are talking about a Texas Instrument calculator).

so that also depends on the calculator. >_>

i wanna see a 360 title doing the particles, animations, textures, effects etc, that killzone 2, uncharted 1-2, and gran turismo 5 are doing.

EDIT: in the article he even doens't state they are equal but rather , they have strenght 360 is easier to work with but you can get more things running in parallel on the ps3.

what he practically said is "here is a glass half full, and the other have a glass have empty."

Ah, I love it.  The designer of the PS3 hardware is coming right out and saying exactly what you don't want to hear, so you just start making things up.  I suppose I'm to believe your word over his, right?  All you're doing is what the typical Sony Defense Force member does when they're faced with things they don't want to hear:  make things up.  What are you going to do next, start listing off future PS3 games that are going to move a million consoles each?  Because that's what always comes next.  And there's usually a "year of the PS3" prediction in there somewhere too.  What's it going to be for now, summer or winter or 09 when the PS3 finally "takes over"? 

Again, I didn't write the article, I just posted it.  You say "anyone with a brain" knows how much more powerful the Cell is.  Well, the guy who designed the thing says otherwise, at least when it's coupled with the rest of the hardware inside the PS3. You say "putting in sync 6 SPU and a PPE is not an easy task".  What does that have to do with anything and what does that even mean anyway?  Programming a game in general is not an easy task.  All the PS3 does is make that process HARDER, not easier.  It's hard enough to program for mutliple threads running simultaneously in a game, not to mention trying to do it on the proprietary Cell chip that seems to make things even more complicated than they need to be.

So I will stand by my statement.  Just because the Cell can fold protein does not mean that the PS3 is the ultimate gaming hardware.  It has a GPU that holds it back, is hard to program for, and is not selling enough software to make developers really want to dig into it.  Now, if you say the Cell is ahead of its time, I can agree with you there.  The home console market was not ready for a processor this advanced.  It's probably a generation too early.  It's showing in the price of the PS3 as well as the sales figures of the PS3.  The things that are built in to the PS3 are definitely pretty amazing, but they are also killing the platform because they are not cost effective and are not really being used to do anything different from what the competition is doing.




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the statement 'PS3 and 360 are equally powered' is completely misinterpreting what this man said, and it is not true at all. I shall translate what this man said

"Shippy tells Gamasutra, "I'm going to have to answer with an 'it depends.' Again, they're completely different models. The PS3 has a much more powerful processor than the 360, and as such is much better at processor dependent tasks such as folding@home

"With the Xbox 360, you've got more of a traditional gaming system, that is pretty equal to the PS3 as far as gaming is concerned

"At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal at playing games."

I'm sorry to be arguing semantics here, I really am. I just don't like the claim that just because they are equally good at playing games, they are equally as powerful. The 360 might be as good for gaming as the PS3, but running any fair and objective benchmark, which tests CPU, GPU and harddrive in different tasks, the PS3 will win



Jo21 said:
Domicinator said:
star_city said:
worthless thread..seriously...
developers already said that the ps3 and 360 has there own unique power..
we all kno the ps3 is stronger in terms of raw power and pushing out good good Grpxh

EPIC FAIL!!!!

 

A.  I didn't write the interview, I just posted it.

B.  Contrary to your comment, the guy in the above article was the chief architect for Sony's system.  Therefore, his comments are anything but worthless.  Considering all the the things that get posted on this forum, I would think the chief architect of the guts of the PS3 would probably be considered a knowledgeable source.  But that's just me.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Who's he to say, right?  He just designed the damn thing.

C.  No, this interview sort of disproves the "raw power" thing.  What it's really saying is that there is give and take on each system.  Pros and cons.  Hits and misses.  Certain software will take advantage of one better than the other, and vice versa.  Just because the PS3 can fold protein does not mean it is the ultimate gaming machine.  My calculator can do long division, but that doesn't mean I can play Tetris on it.

that doesn't make sense and here is why.

maths never lie if we look into floating point calculitons you only need 4 SPU to match xenon theorical maximum (that actually never reach either).

that left other 2 SPU and PPU.

at most cell it's 30-40% more powerful.

as for power ps3 it's the ultimate gaming machine in console market, anyone with brain and enough info on CPU will tell you that the thing is putting in sync 6 SPU and a PPE is not an easy task.

a calculator doesn't have the CPU power to play tetris (unless you are talking about a Texas Instrument calculator).

so that also depends on the calculator. >_>

i wanna see a 360 title doing the particles, animations, textures, effects etc, that killzone 2, uncharted 1-2, and gran turismo 5 are doing.

EDIT: in the article he even doens't state they are equal but rather , they have strenght 360 is easier to work with but you can get more things running in parallel on the ps3.

what he practically said is "here is a glass half full, and the other have a glass have empty."

Check the bottom of the article.  It is pretty clearly stated where he says "they are about equal"

And the SPU's and FLOPS and all that mean nothing.. that's all theoretical potential.  From actual use, with the give and takes like others have mentioned, the two systems end up being about equally as powerful.

 



This is BS. 360 could never handle a game like Killzone 2. It just dont have the power to show so many things happening on the screen at the same time in such brilliant graphics. I guess M$ paid somebody to write that article.



I guess M$ paid somebody to write that article.


Yes, they're paying everyone in the fucking world to say everything.



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scottie said:
the statement 'PS3 and 360 are equally powered' is completely misinterpreting what this man said, and it is not true at all. I shall translate what this man said

"Shippy tells Gamasutra, "I'm going to have to answer with an 'it depends.' Again, they're completely different models. The PS3 has a much more powerful processor than the 360, and as such is much better at processor dependent tasks such as folding@home

"With the Xbox 360, you've got more of a traditional gaming system, that is pretty equal to the PS3 as far as gaming is concerned

"At the end of the day, when you put them all together, depending on the software, I think they're pretty equal at playing games."

I'm sorry to be arguing semantics here, I really am. I just don't like the claim that just because they are equally good at playing games, they are equally as powerful. The 360 might be as good for gaming as the PS3, but running any fair and objective benchmark, which tests CPU, GPU and harddrive in different tasks, the PS3 will win

You are misinterpretting his words, i'm afraid.  You left out where he mentioned the 360's GPU is quite complex and much better than the PS3's.

All in all, they are pretty equal.  Just as he said.  You are the one trying to make him imply stuff that wasn't there.  He mentions the holds of the PS3 hardware itself as well as the added difficulty in programming for the Cell.  He is not saying that the software being released is making them about equal, but the hardwares actual performance is pretty equal.

 



player1 said:
This is BS. 360 could never handle a game like Killzone 2. It just dont have the power to show so many things happening on the screen at the same time in such brilliant graphics. I guess M$ paid somebody to write that article.

 

Come on dude, this article is from one of the chip designers.   If you think M$ paid someone off to talk trash about something they made your a bit silly.  You may also want to keep an eye out for those black helicopters that follow you around when you go outside as well.

 

I do not understand what the big deal is anyways.  Both systems have great looking games so it doesn't really matter, to me  which has a slight advantage.



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

Lurker said:
I guess M$ paid somebody to write that article.


Yes, they're paying everyone in the fucking world to say everything.

 

M$ messed up last month, they sent me 2 checks out instead of their useual 1.  Maybe it was a Christmas present. :/



"If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow."

Quote by- The Imortal John Wayne, the original BADASS!

 

 

 

Funny. All those that have spent hours on this site stating the PS3 is more powerful, have just been shot down by the producer of the Cell.

All I can say to anyone that has ever argued with me, I told you so.

360 and PS3 are basically equal in terms of power, says IBM Cell producer. :)



star_city said:
worthless thread..seriously...
developers already said that the ps3 and 360 has there own unique power..
we all kno the ps3 is stronger in terms of raw power and pushing out good good Grpxh

EPIC FAIL!!!!

 

 I have never seen fanboys go against a producer of the chip thats inside their fave console. LOL

Dude please your making fanboys look desperate now.