You'd be surprised what people can do with enough talent, obsession, and time. I once saw a real-time 3-D air flow simulation by these two Russians on a pentium 1 which was on par with what people were doing on a p4. Sure it was so optimized for their exact configuration that it probably couldn't be ported to any other computer in the world, but who would have thought that was even possible.

You know, games look pretty much even on both, play well on both, and both are less powerful than PCs but cost less. Can't we leave it at that and just play games?

That's my whole point, the ace looks of these late ps3 exclusives is the result of precisely that.

The console itself might not necessarily have an edge itself, the edge is that sony took a lot of right decisions and one of those decisions was securing some of the most talented, obsessive workaholics out there. And the results are proof, the games look and play beautifuly.

@cgi: if you can't do the walk, don't do the talk.

Get over what? you got all emo about it and sidetracked the whole discussion?

It's fun you are getting upset all about it... coming back to the thread after you already claimed you'd leave it...

It looks you, atleast, can't get over it at all.

Five posts later and you are still here! So it was a device to get the last word.

Are you really that petty?

Acting all mature "it's like 1st grade", "get over it"... yeah, you did not get over it.

So you know, going all off-topic is a bannable offense here, so you better get back to the topic or mods might start to care about it.

You honestly think Gears 2 look better than MGS4? or better yet killzone 2? you sir has got some serious serious fanboyism that engine they use for gears is crap they look like lil plastic soldiers like seriously.....MGS4 running on HD equals on touched in terms of games released.....you have to be one of those 17 yr old fanboys that would stick with 360 no matter what even though they know in there heart that they are wrong

and now your saying Forza 3 is going to compete with GT5?? GT5 has been in development for a very very very long time topping killzone 2

Yeah, the UE3 engine has that nasty plastic shine all over everythig, it's the trademark... unfortunately because it's spread quite a bit there's many games out there looking like that. On top of it is intended to be a do-it-all multiplatform engine, so it is inherently less efficient than the custom made and platform specific engines games like MGS4 use.

About Forza 3... well, the most reasonable think to expect would be an upgrade to the existing engine. There was a rumor floating around some time ago that they basically released the Forza 1 engine adjusted and updated for the new tech with some plugs from Rare while working on a different engine that was to power Forza 3; I find this unlikely tho.

Bitmap's point is that there is no way to make an apples-to-apples comparison between exclusives of two systems. Two different games will involve different design decisions (including compromises for hardware constraints), different budgets for models and textures, and different art direction.

You guys are largely comparing these screenshots on the quality of their art assets. It's like you're comparing oil paintings to watercolor paintings and you're saying that because the best painting you've ever seen was an oil painting, that oil paints are technically superior to watercolor paints. You're confusing the measure of the artist with the measure of the medium.

Of course ps2/dreamcast couldn't do UE3 games. But there's a difference between higher ceilings availabe through hardware and the kind of visual boon that comes with great devlopment craft.

Yeah, spec wars never end well. I loathe how they've become a common topic these days.

@non sequor: your last line there is really good. I wish could put things forward in such a way.

i think ps3 is much powerful, but 360 is a good machine.
so dont worry about.