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superchunk on 10 January 2009
MrBubbles said:
superchunk said:

 Gaza was systematically deprived of all necessities. No food, fuel, water, electricity,

 

 

if that were actually true you realize that most of them would be dead...?   since they arent its easy to conclude your statement is false.

 

 

It is common knowledge and even Israel admits that there was a 100% blockade on Gaza. Absolutely nothing in or out. Israel controls their electricty and water. Both were shut off to force Hamas out. All Gazans had is what was already in Gaza. UN declared humanitarian crisis before the war started.



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Tyrannical on 10 January 2009
superchunk said:

oh for the love of God. Its like having a war in NY. no matter where you go there are buildings. They have no choice but to launch attack from populated places. It is one of the most densly populated places on Earth.

Killing tons of civilians won't stop it. That would, as it has for the past 30 years, just increase the various militant groups numbers.

Israel needs to free Palestine. Starting with Gaza and removal of the illegal settlements that it knows won't be part of Israel.

 

Then Israel has no choice but to counter attack.

Hamas is trying to start another Arab-Israeli war. That is there goal, to start a big war and wipe the Jews out.

What they don't under stand is they will not win that war, and there will be no Palestinians left in Gaza afterwards.

 



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MrBubbles on 10 January 2009

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superchunk on 10 January 2009
Tyrannical said:
superchunk said:

oh for the love of God. Its like having a war in NY. no matter where you go there are buildings. They have no choice but to launch attack from populated places. It is one of the most densly populated places on Earth.

Killing tons of civilians won't stop it. That would, as it has for the past 30 years, just increase the various militant groups numbers.

Israel needs to free Palestine. Starting with Gaza and removal of the illegal settlements that it knows won't be part of Israel.

 

Then Israel has no choice but to counter attack.

Hamas is trying to start another Arab-Israeli war. That is there goal, to start a big war and wipe the Jews out.

What they don't under stand is they will not win that war, and there will be no Palestinians left in Gaza afterwards.

 

RE: another arab-israeli war

I'm sure your right on that. That is why Israel needs to be smarter and not be pulled into their plans. Use their far superior technology to come in make small raids, take out those they need gone and leave. Instead they incite the entire world, not just Arabs, by doing what they always do and that is grossly unnecessary destruction and killing of civilians.

Just as Hamas seems to not get a clue that Jews won't just leave, neither do the Jews. They keep killings hundreds and thousands of Arabs, continued expansions of illegal settlements, but the Arabs won't just leave either.

Instead of killing each other, Israel needs to free Palestine. Eventually there will be millions dead in Tel Aviv or elsewhere as a nuke is set off. Granted it won't be without a much larger retaliation, but that is not good for anyone anywhere near that region.

Only Israel can end this and it requires a change in their policy.

 



starcraft on 10 January 2009
superchunk said:
Tyrannical said:
superchunk said:

oh for the love of God. Its like having a war in NY. no matter where you go there are buildings. They have no choice but to launch attack from populated places. It is one of the most densly populated places on Earth.

Killing tons of civilians won't stop it. That would, as it has for the past 30 years, just increase the various militant groups numbers.

Israel needs to free Palestine. Starting with Gaza and removal of the illegal settlements that it knows won't be part of Israel.

 

Then Israel has no choice but to counter attack.

Hamas is trying to start another Arab-Israeli war. That is there goal, to start a big war and wipe the Jews out.

What they don't under stand is they will not win that war, and there will be no Palestinians left in Gaza afterwards.

 

RE: another arab-israeli war

I'm sure your right on that. That is why Israel needs to be smarter and not be pulled into their plans. Use their far superior technology to come in make small raids, take out those they need gone and leave. Instead they incite the entire world, not just Arabs, by doing what they always do and that is grossly unnecessary destruction and killing of civilians.

Just as Hamas seems to not get a clue that Jews won't just leave, neither do the Jews. They keep killings hundreds and thousands of Arabs, continued expansions of illegal settlements, but the Arabs won't just leave either.

Instead of killing each other, Israel needs to free Palestine. Eventually there will be millions dead in Tel Aviv or elsewhere as a nuke is set off. Granted it won't be without a much larger retaliation, but that is not good for anyone anywhere near that region.

Only Israel can end this and it requires a change in their policy.

Israel has been making surgical strikes for decades, and it hasn't worked.

Hamas has made it clear they all need to be taken out or they simply regroup and fire more rockets into Israeli houses.

 



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Tyrannical on 10 January 2009

Instead of killing each other, Israel needs to free Palestine

Palestine is already free. They democraticaly elected Hamas to run the government.

Now the Palestinians are reaping the benefit of Democracy.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Sqrl on 10 January 2009

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