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The UN said last night that the Israeli military had privately admitted that the shelling of a UN school in Jabaliya which killed more than 40 Palestinians on Tuesday was in response to militant fire from outside, not inside, the UN compound.

After the attack, the Israeli military said an initial inquiry had shown that several mortar shells had been fired at Israeli forces "from within the Jabaliya school" and that Israeli forces had returned fire.

However, a UN spokesman yesterday said the military had admitted that this account was no longer accurate. "In private briefings with diplomats the Israeli army has admitted that the militant fire from Jabaliya did not come from within a UN compound but outside and therefore allegations that this fire came from inside our compound are completely baseless," said Chris Gunness, spokesman for UNWRA.

Last night, the Israel Defence Force, stood by its initial account."The source of the fire was from within the school compound and that we returned fire and we have intelligence information that we hit the actual mortar firing squad that was firing at us," said Captain Benjamin Rutland, an Israeli military spokesman.

Earlier yesterday, John Ging, director of operations in Gaza for UNRWA, visited the school himself."I am very confident now that there was no militant activity inside the school nor militants in the school. If anybody has evidence to the contrary, then let's bring it forward."

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Again, Israel, like Hamas, doesn't care who actually gets killed. They just fire in a general direction.



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The thread title and personal summation is absolute bullshit.

The clear difference between Hamas and Israel is that Israel fucks up sometimes, Hamas AIMS for civilians.

Israel believed the rockets were fired from the school. They bombed it to prevent more rockets being fired. They were wrong.

Israel makes mistakes, Hamas is inhuman.



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Do you know how artillery works?

Its not all that accurate. They knew the basic location and they fired a non-targeting artillery shell. They didn't really care who else was killed. Otherwise they would have sent in attack helicopters or jets.



superchunk said:
Do you know how artillery works?

Its not all that accurate. They knew the basic location and they fired a non-targeting artillery shell. They didn't really care who else was killed. Otherwise they would have sent in attack helicopters or jets.

Hamas is trying to goad Israel to kill palestinian civilians by launching attacks from/near schools, mosques, and apartment houses. I don't feel sorry for the Palestinians, they voted Hamas in. Hamas is at war with Israel. When civillians die, it's hamas's fault for fighting near civillian targets. Most of the so called "civilians" are probaly Hamas supporters anyways, which makes them valid millitary targets.

If Israel was really targeting civilians, they'd fire bomb the city and the death toll would be in the tens of thousands.

 

 



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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Tyrannical said:
superchunk said:
Do you know how artillery works?

Its not all that accurate. They knew the basic location and they fired a non-targeting artillery shell. They didn't really care who else was killed. Otherwise they would have sent in attack helicopters or jets.

Hamas is trying to goad Israel to kill palestinian civilians by launching attacks from/near schools, mosques, and apartment houses. I don't feel sorry for the Palestinians, they voted Hamas in. Hamas is at war with Israel. When civillians die, it's hamas's fault for fighting near civillian targets. Most of the so called "civilians" are probaly Hamas supporters anyways, which makes them valid millitary targets.

If Israel was really targeting civilians, they'd fire bomb the city and the death toll would be in the tens of thousands.

 

 

 

1. If they started 'five bombing' the place even US wouldn't stand behind them. So, no, that would never happen.

2. RE: Bolded, that is the exact same mentality that Hamas and other terrorists use to kill civilians throughout the world. Since US supports Israel... , since Israelis support their government....

3. Have ever seen pictures of Gaza? Its kinda impossible to have a war without it being near these buildings. The problem is how Israel ingages. semi-blindly shooting artillery into the exact location where they know without a doubt there are hundreds of civilians is inhumane and simply wrong. It is exactly the same thing as Hamas shooting rockets.

As my other posts have shown, Israel is just as much at fault of killing innocent as Hamas is. Difference is Israel uses bigger, better weapons and thus, kills 100x more.

Again, If Israel really wants Hamas to end, they need to end their brutal practices on the Palestinian public.



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superchunk said:
Tyrannical said:
superchunk said:
Do you know how artillery works?

Its not all that accurate. They knew the basic location and they fired a non-targeting artillery shell. They didn't really care who else was killed. Otherwise they would have sent in attack helicopters or jets.

Hamas is trying to goad Israel to kill palestinian civilians by launching attacks from/near schools, mosques, and apartment houses. I don't feel sorry for the Palestinians, they voted Hamas in. Hamas is at war with Israel. When civillians die, it's hamas's fault for fighting near civillian targets. Most of the so called "civilians" are probaly Hamas supporters anyways, which makes them valid millitary targets.

If Israel was really targeting civilians, they'd fire bomb the city and the death toll would be in the tens of thousands.

1. If they started 'five bombing' the place even US wouldn't stand behind them. So, no, that would never happen.

2. RE: Bolded, that is the exact same mentality that Hamas and other terrorists use to kill civilians throughout the world. Since US supports Israel... , since Israelis support their government....

3. Have ever seen pictures of Gaza? Its kinda impossible to have a war without it being near these buildings. The problem is how Israel ingages. semi-blindly shooting artillery into the exact location where they know without a doubt there are hundreds of civilians is inhumane and simply wrong. It is exactly the same thing as Hamas shooting rockets.

As my other posts have shown, Israel is just as much at fault of killing innocent as Hamas is. Difference is Israel uses bigger, better weapons and thus, kills 100x more.

Again, If Israel really wants Hamas to end, they need to end their brutal practices on the Palestinian public.

It's quite clear that the side you fall on is clouding your moral judgement.

Do you honestly believe that the fact Hamas deliberately targets civilians compared to Israel who targets militants but sometimes kills civilians makes no difference?

What is the alternative you present to Israel?  Instead of attacking militants who choose to hide behind the innocents who support them, the nation should allow its own civilians to be targeted indiscriminently for rocket attacks?

This particular conflict was started by Hamas.  They fired rockets all through the ceasefire then broke it afterwards.  They are backed by Iran and their mandate requires the destruction of Israel.  All Israel would succeed in doing by taking NO action would be to allow hundreds of their own civilians to be killed by rockets, in a conflict that would never end but would be ridiculously one-sided if Israel refused to defend itself.



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starcraft said:

It's quite clear that the side you fall on is clouding your moral judgement.

Do you honestly believe that the fact Hamas deliberately targets civilians compared to Israel who targets militants but sometimes kills civilians makes no difference?

What is the alternative you present to Israel?  Instead of attacking militants who choose to hide behind the innocents who support them, the nation should allow its own civilians to be targeted indiscriminently for rocket attacks?

This particular conflict was started by Hamas.  They fired rockets all through the ceasefire then broke it afterwards.  They are backed by Iran and their mandate requires the destruction of Israel.  All Israel would succeed in doing by taking NO action would be to allow hundreds of their own civilians to be killed by rockets, in a conflict that would never end but would be ridiculously one-sided if Israel refused to defend itself.

1. Israel is doing the same thing. Did you not read the other two threads I created? Israel has as much care for civilian lives as Hamas does. zero. Bombing buildings you absolutely know has hundreds of civilians is proof enough. Spend some time skimming my history of posts. By page two you will have all you need.

2. I have stated numerous times my thoughts on what Israel should do to not only end Hamas, but end the entire conflict. Israel needs to free the Palestinian people. Israel's actions now and for the last 30 years have created Hamas.

When Israel signed Oslo, what happened? The big bad terrorist PLO dropped and PA was formed. They even have recognized Israel and been to the peace table many times.

Same would happen here with Hamas. Israel removes settlements it knows are not goin to be part of their state, opens all channels of delivery for food, fuel, water, electricity, etc. They need to make major impact on the daily life of a Palestinian who is currently living in aparthied like conditions. Imprisoned, harrassed, and made to feel like there is zero hope in life. What else is there to do but, attack back. Its like a cornered animal.

3. The ceasefire never existed. Gaza was systematically deprived of all necessities. No food, fuel, water, electricity, communication, travel in/out, etc. It was/is the largest prison in the world. However, even prisons have better conditions. So, Hamas formally broke it off and started shooting. Is shooting rockets the right thing to do? no. But what would you do if you were a Gazan? die? see your children starve? I'm sure just as everyone would fight back when a rocket hit there house, so too would you if someone was imprisoning you against your will and starving your family.

 



 Have ever seen pictures of Gaza? Its kinda impossible to have a war without it being near these buildings. The problem is how Israel ingages. semi-blindly shooting artillery into the exact location where they know without a doubt there are hundreds of civilians is inhumane and simply wrong. It is exactly the same thing as Hamas shooting rockets.

Hamas wants Israel to kill civilians. That's why they launch their attacks from populated areas.

 

During WWII the allies fire bombed the German city of Dresden, in part to break the Germans will to fight. It will probably take the same level of extremeism to finaly deal with the Palestinians since they seem so hell bent on becoming martyrs anyways.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

Tyrannical said:

 Have ever seen pictures of Gaza? Its kinda impossible to have a war without it being near these buildings. The problem is how Israel ingages. semi-blindly shooting artillery into the exact location where they know without a doubt there are hundreds of civilians is inhumane and simply wrong. It is exactly the same thing as Hamas shooting rockets.

Hamas wants Israel to kill civilians. That's why they launch their attacks from populated areas.

 

During WWII the allies fire bombed the German city of Dresden, in part to break the Germans will to fight. It will probably take the same level of extremeism to finaly deal with the Palestinians since they seem so hell bent on becoming martyrs anyways.

oh for the love of God. Its like having a war in NY. no matter where you go there are buildings. They have no choice but to launch attack from populated places. It is one of the most densly populated places on Earth.

Killing tons of civilians won't stop it. That would, as it has for the past 30 years, just increase the various militant groups numbers.

Israel needs to free Palestine. Starting with Gaza and removal of the illegal settlements that it knows won't be part of Israel.

 



superchunk said:

 Gaza was systematically deprived of all necessities. No food, fuel, water, electricity,

 

 

if that were actually true you realize that most of them would be dead...?   since they arent its easy to conclude your statement is false.

 

 



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