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Spankey on 07 January 2009
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Stalin killed more people than Hitler! You can't blame every WW2 death on Hitler. Was he responsible for the Rape of Nanking, Pearl Harbor, the bombing of Tokyo, and the atomic bombs?

The Holocaust should be separated from WW2, and the Armenian genocide should be separated from WW1. Otherwise this list makes Hitler look worse than Stalin, and it downplays how huge the Armenian genocide was.

 

agreed 100%



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fuegonian on 07 January 2009

I think you should include Spanish Flu victims in world war 1 numbers as that would not have happerned if it wasn't for WW1...

Modern estimates are between 50 million to 100 million!

Go WW1...

(Yes i'm trivializing a serious subject)



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tombi123 on 07 January 2009

So Hitler nuked Japan twice, not the Americans?



tombi123 on 07 January 2009
Tyrannical said:
Socialists and Communists sure like to kill people. I thought the politcal left was supposed to be warm and fuzzy?

 

 hmm... but the person at the top of the list was anti-communist. See how it doesn't work like that. Mao and Stalin were extreme fascists, thats whats to blame. Anyone with extreme views is more likely to be a danger to the people. 



Tyrannical on 07 January 2009
tombi123 said:
Tyrannical said:
Socialists and Communists sure like to kill people. I thought the politcal left was supposed to be warm and fuzzy?

 

 hmm... but the person at the top of the list was anti-communist. See how it doesn't work like that. Mao and Stalin were extreme fascists, thats whats to blame. Anyone with extreme views is more likely to be a danger to the people. 

 

 Nazi =  Nationailist Socialist

I think Hitler was more anti Stalin then anti-communist. He didn't invade Russia out of the goodness of his heart to liberate them from communism.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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PS360ForTheWin on 07 January 2009

are we talking civilian deaths?
who made these statistics?
is the source realiable?
are you people so ignorant that you lump all socialists in with hitler?



fuegonian on 07 January 2009
Tyrannical said:
tombi123 said:
Tyrannical said:
Socialists and Communists sure like to kill people. I thought the politcal left was supposed to be warm and fuzzy?

 

 hmm... but the person at the top of the list was anti-communist. See how it doesn't work like that. Mao and Stalin were extreme fascists, thats whats to blame. Anyone with extreme views is more likely to be a danger to the people. 

 

 Nazi =  Nationailist Socialist

I think Hitler was more anti Stalin then anti-communist. He didn't invade Russia out of the goodness of his heart to liberate them from communism.

I don't think Hitler had any actual personal grief with Stalin (No more than he had with everybody else), their 'rivalry' was mainly used for propaganda on either side. It also explains why the battle for Stalingrad was so fierce...

He invaded the soviet union for the same rerason he invaded poland, Lebensraum. Thats the one thing he wanted to achive for his Aryans. The world domination idea is and was just silly. Had the germans captured soviet territory upto the Urals i believe they would have sued for peace. Which would still be their current border, plus a few 'satelites' and vassals...

 



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Parokki on 07 January 2009

Very interesting, but kinda sloppy. The chart seems to count an average of how many people these phenomena killed per year, and then distributes them evenly along their continuation. That doesn't really work. For example the Holocaust didn't properly start until the last three years of the Third Reich, and Mao's reign had some serious spikes whenever he felt he enacted one of his Great And Marvellous Projects of Great and Marvellous Communism.

Oh, and saying the Nazis were socialists because they had socialist in their name is about as accurate as saying the PS3 isn't a console, because it has station in its name. Don't start this argument, please. -_-



megaman79 on 07 January 2009

Iraq and Afghanistan would clear 1 million easy



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Tyrannical on 07 January 2009

The Nazis were socialists and Nazi Germany was a socialist state. It used state sponsored socialism to promote it's nationialist cause. Nationialist Socialists was a very descriptive and accurate name for the Nazi party.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
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