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So silent in fact that i think i'll paste it again, oh, and thanx to wikipedia for the following information below..........................

Here's what really happened between Sony and Nintendo.

The first conceptions of the PlayStation date back to 1986. Nintendo had been attempting to work with disc technology since the Famicom, but the medium had problems. Its rewritable magnetic nature could be easily erased (thus leading to a lack of durability), and the discs were a copyright infringement danger. Consequently, when details of CDROM/XA (an extension of the CD-ROM format that combines compressed audio, visual and computer data, allowing all to be accessed simultaneously) came out, Nintendo was interested. CD-ROM/XA was being simultaneously developed by Sony and Philips. Nintendo approached Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on, tentatively titled the "SNES-CD". A contract was signed, and work began. Nintendo's choice of Sony was due to a prior dealing: Ken Kutaragi, the person who would later be dubbed "The Father of PlayStation", was the individual who had sold Nintendo on using the Sony SPC-700 processor for use as the eight-channel ADPCM sound synthesis set in the Super Famicom/SNES console through an impressive demonstration of the processor's capabilities.

Sony also planned to develop another, Nintendo compatible, Sony-branded console, but one which would be more of a home entertainment system playing both Super Nintendo cartridges and a new CD format which Sony would design. This was also to be the format used in SNES-CD discs, giving a large degree of control to Sony despite Nintendo's leading position in the video gaming market.

The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

After the collapse of the joint project, Sony considered halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. As a result, Nintendo filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the PlayStation, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction and, in October 1991, the first incarnation of the new Sony PlayStation was revealed. However, it is theorized that only 200 or so of these machines were ever produced.

By the end of 1992, Sony and Nintendo reached a deal whereby the "Sony Play Station" would still have a port for SNES games, but Nintendo would own the rights and receive the bulk of the profits from the games, and the SNES would continue to use the Sony-designed audio chip. However, Sony decided in early 1993 to begin reworking the "Play Station" concept to target a new generation of hardware and software. As part of this process the SNES cartridge port was dropped and the space between the names was removed.



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This could rage on and on...

For clarity

1. The Xbox 360 is a sucessful HD console with a number of excellent games.
2. The PS3 is a relatively sucessful HD console with a number of excellent games.
3. The Wii is an extremely sucessful and innovative console with a few excellent games.

There done !



@ wakawakawa

2009 ... year of the PS3.

Interesting comments from Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux (CVG):

"Next year, well, it's all looking a bit dry," he said. "All the triple A titles came out this Christmas and while there is stuff in 2010 we can look forward to, off the top of my head I cannot think of anything next year that really excites me. "

With this is coming from Peter I think vivid 360-only fans have something to worry about. He should know as the head of a Microsoft 1st party developer. I agree with him, but thought Microsoft must have at least something eye catching lined up for this year we don't know about yet...

It's looks to become a difficult year for PS3 naysayers, with amazing looking and known about PS3 exclusive games like Killzone 2, God of War 3, Infamous, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, etc all expected to hit this year.

In addition potentially interesting exclusive like Demon's Soul, White Knight Chronicles, MAG, Eyepet, Quantum Theory, Trico, Twisted Metal, etc.

Potential exclusive sequel mega hits releases like Gran Turismo 5 and Final Fantasy XIII (Japan).

I wonder if Sony has something special planned, considering all this fire power. I anticipate a PS3Three for 2009!



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

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MikeB said:
Interesting Lionhead boss Peter Molyneux (CVG):

"Next year, well, it's all looking a bit dry," he said. "All the triple A titles came out this Christmas and while there is stuff in 2010 we can look forward to, off the top of my head I cannot think of anything next year that really excites me. "

With this is coming from Peter I think 360 fans have something to worry about. He should know as the head of a Microsoft 1st party developer. I agree with him, but thought Microsoft must have at least something lined up for this year we do not know about.

It's looks to become a difficult year for 360 fans, with PS3 amazing looking and known about PS3 exclusive games like Killzone 2, God of War 3, Infamous, Uncharted 2, Heavy Rain, etc.

Potentially interesting exclusive like Demon's Soul, White Knight Chronicles, MAG, Eyepet, Quantum Theory, Trico, Twisted Metal, etc.

Potential exclusive sequel mega hits releases like Gran Turismo 5 and Final Fantasy XIII (Japan).

I wonder if Sony has something special planned, considering all this fire power. I anticipate a PS3Three for 2009!

Peter Molyneux has 2 more games lined up coming soon to a 360 near you.

Add to that the following games and i don't think that 360 owners have anything to be worried about, the bottom line is that sony fanboys lay praise on every damn exclusive ps3 game no matter how good or bad it is.

Games to look forward to in 09 for the 360

APB (All Points Bulliten)

Huxley

Forza motorsport 3

The protector (FPS/Stealth/Puzzle game all in one)

Velvet assassin

Mass effect 2

The precursors

Prey 2

Halo ODST

RACE pro

Alan wake

Dead island

Splinter cell: conviction

Halo wars

White gold: war in paradise

Ninja blade

You see how easy it is to mention lots of games?

Just cos sony has lots of games it doesn't mean they will live up to the hype.

I also look forward to many more once exclusive games becoming joint pc/360 exclusives like some of the above, afterall , a developer was quoted as saying that porting from pc to 360 is as easy as "pressing a button"

Plus you know that microsoft will have plenty more games up their sleeve but unlike sony they don't reveal 99% of their games line up TWO TO THREE YEARS before release.

 



@ Ronster316

Plus you know that microsoft will have plenty more games up their sleeve but unlike sony they don't reveal 99% of their games TWO TO THREE YEARS before release.


Too human was announced for the 360 in 2005. Alan Wake for 360 and PC (yet to be released) was announced in May 2005. Probably there are other examples.

Just wanted to point out what you state is wrong and if you are upset, don't resort to hypocrisy and be upset about Microsoft as well.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

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MikeB said:
@ Ronster316

Plus you know that microsoft will have plenty more games up their sleeve but unlike sony they don't reveal 99% of their games TWO TO THREE YEARS before release.


Too human was announced for the 360 in 2005. Alan Wake for 360 and PC (yet to be released) was announced in May 2005. Probably there are other examples.

Just wanted to point out what you state is wrong and if you are upset, don't resort to hypocrisy and be upset about Microsoft as well.

Not to mention Halo Wars, Splinter Cell Conviction, Fable 2, Huxley etc all revealed YEARS before release. That's a very stale argument used by the Microsoft fanboys, their precious company reveals games in advance too. On the flipside, I could say Sony revealed Resistance 2, Motorstorm 2 and Siren in the same year they were released.

 



  

MikeB - Your incessant defense of all things sony makes me think you are on their payroll. You act as if the ps3 can do no wrong when in fact it has nearly bankrupted sony. Live our real world rather than playing in your dream world.



MikeB said:
@ Ronster316

Plus you know that microsoft will have plenty more games up their sleeve but unlike sony they don't reveal 99% of their games TWO TO THREE YEARS before release.


Too human was announced for the 360 in 2005. Alan Wake for 360 and PC (yet to be released) was announced in May 2005. Probably there are other examples.

Just wanted to point out what you state is wrong and if you are upset, don't resort to hypocrisy and be upset about Microsoft as well.

 

Ok, so 10% of microsofts games were announced early (aka too human, splinter cell: conviction, alan wake)

theres a hell of a lot more sony games that were announced and they still haven't shown up, (Gran turismo, Killzone 2)

And lets not forget about sony leading you up the garden path with its tech demo for the now CANCELLED "the getaway" oh, and wheres 8 days now? Sony are the worse when it comes to delays and outright CANCELLATIONS.

And lastly how many times was HOME delayed before they finally gave you a GIMPED half baked version of it?



CMoney said:
MikeB - Your incessant defense of all things sony makes me think you are on their payroll. You act as if the ps3 can do no wrong when in fact it has nearly bankrupted sony. Live our real world rather than playing in your dream world.

No not everything. I dislike various Sony PR statements, many early commercials and the fact the PS3 has no USB ports at the back. (Like I stated here on in the past)

And no, I don't work for Sony, it's just 360 fanboys often drag totally unreasonable examples and claims into discussions.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

CGI-Quality said:
@ Ronster

Remember Famed City Killer - exclusive for 360 - yup got cancelled. What about Cry-On...yup cancelled too. I don't get your deal here, y do you hate a company so much? Did Sony do something specifically to you?

 

CGI buddy................ you know about my hatred towards sony and their empty promising delaystation brand, as my sig has always shown, you like sony and i dislike sony.

Thats all there is to it really.