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bdbdbd on 05 January 2009

@Ronster: Basically Sony is doing the excact same thing Nintendo did with N64.

As for your sig, it was Sega that effectively nearly killed itself.



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Ronster316 on 05 January 2009
bdbdbd said:
@Ronster: Basically Sony is doing the excact same thing Nintendo did with N64.

As for your sig, it was Sega that effectively nearly killed itself.

 

Yeah, ok, and sony coming along contributed nothing towards Segas downfall right?

Sega make great games.

Sony PAY people to make great games for them.

Sega are a real rock star like the beatles

Sony are like a winner from pop idol........... NOBODIES.



MikeB on 05 January 2009

@ Ronster316

The first cut is always the deepest............... Sony were the first "corporatrion" to join the gaming world hence my issue here is with Sony, not with microsoft.


For example Sega Corportation was a Corportation.

If you mean consumer electronics company, you are wrong as well. Philips for example failed with their CD-i, the platform had some of the worst Mario and Zelda games ever released.

Sony made gaming the dog eat dog business it has become today, Life was far better when REAL gaming hardware and software developers were around. (ie Atari, Sega, Nintendo)


A little example history lesson.

Amiga Corp was an innovative gaming company, which was secretly developing state of the art gaming hardware which could be used for a full computer as well (like the Coleco vision/Coleco Adam or even the Super Nintendo in Japan). For example they released a Wii Fit like product in the early 80s, where you would shift your weight on a balance board to ski, surf, etc.

Atari tried to screw Amiga Corp when the company ran low on funds and wanted to buy them out for very cheap (and fire its employees) after lending them some money in the past (demanding the money back), Commodore eventually bought Amiga Corp instead for 4 times the amount and kept them employed.

So such things are somehow Sony's doing? That took place in 1984, you know?



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bdbdbd on 05 January 2009

@Ronster: Of course it had "something" to do with it. But my point is, that if Nintendo and Sega had kept performing in the similar fashion with SNES and Megadrive (which could have been possible), it would have been Playstation brand that had gone down. I don't know whether Sony paid 3rd parties to make games for them, but for many PSX was the only platform that was reasonable to develope for. Nintendo told them not to develope for N64 and Saturn hard architecture to develope for and Sega had just fucked its fans and 3rd parties with 32X. Besides, going into 3D, the costs of developing a game had just went up tenfold, so PSX, with basically no quality control, was the most natural choice to develope for.
Besides, by looking at the amount of shovelware PSX had in its early days (without even a system selling title), it should have been easy task for Nintendo and Sega to take Sony down.



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richardhutnik on 05 January 2009
Batman...WTF? said:
MikeB said:
@ Ronster316

Sony designed a good sound chip for the Snes. There was a joint project for a Snes-CD addon, but Nintendo back stabbed Sony on this by cancelling the deal at the very last minute. Eventually Sony decided to continue its R&D without Nintendo and the Sony Playstation materialized.

It's really Sony own technology being used in the original Playstation. I don't understand the personal attacks outed against Ken with regard to this.

Back stabbed them? What are you talking about? Nintendo saved a crap load of money when they realized CD add ons sucked (i.e Sega CD, Nintendo DD) They canceled the deal but they didn't back stab them.

Nintendo works with Sony on this, and then drops Sony, and decides to work with Phillips.  This leaves Sony holding the bag.  Why does one not expect Sony to then enter the industry like they had? Whether or not someone considers this backstabbing, it is a matter of producing a competitor.

 



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MikeB on 05 January 2009

@ vaio

I can try, I might still have the gaming magazine that wrote about it, but it will be in swedish if I find it and get it scanned so I can upload it.


A source is always helpful, was this in a rumour section?

Believe it or don´t doesn´t mutter to me I just thought I would share it with you all.


Without proper sources this is pretty much useless to me (and hopefully everyone else). A lot you read on the internet is complete and utter bull. Some random poster makes a claim and suddenly you read it every as "the truth" on forums. A lot of this is true with regard to 360 fanboy technical claims.



Naughty Dog: "At Naughty Dog, we're pretty sure we should be able to see leaps between games on the PS3 that are even bigger than they were on the PS2."

PS3 vs 360 sales

Ronster316 on 05 January 2009
richardhutnik said:
Batman...WTF? said:
MikeB said:
@ Ronster316

Sony designed a good sound chip for the Snes. There was a joint project for a Snes-CD addon, but Nintendo back stabbed Sony on this by cancelling the deal at the very last minute. Eventually Sony decided to continue its R&D without Nintendo and the Sony Playstation materialized.

It's really Sony own technology being used in the original Playstation. I don't understand the personal attacks outed against Ken with regard to this.

Back stabbed them? What are you talking about? Nintendo saved a crap load of money when they realized CD add ons sucked (i.e Sega CD, Nintendo DD) They canceled the deal but they didn't back stab them.

Nintendo works with Sony on this, and then drops Sony, and decides to work with Phillips.  This leaves Sony holding the bag.  Why does one not expect Sony to then enter the industry like they had? Whether or not someone considers this backstabbing, it is a matter of producing a competitor.

 

Did you read my previous posts?

Here we go again............

And thanks once again to wikipedia for the information.

Sony tried to screw Nintendo over and thats the bottom line_____________________________

Here's what really happened between Sony and Nintendo.

The first conceptions of the PlayStation date back to 1986. Nintendo had been attempting to work with disc technology since the Famicom, but the medium had problems. Its rewritable magnetic nature could be easily erased (thus leading to a lack of durability), and the discs were a copyright infringement danger. Consequently, when details of CDROM/XA (an extension of the CD-ROM format that combines compressed audio, visual and computer data, allowing all to be accessed simultaneously) came out, Nintendo was interested. CD-ROM/XA was being simultaneously developed by Sony and Philips. Nintendo approached Sony to develop a CD-ROM add-on, tentatively titled the "SNES-CD". A contract was signed, and work began. Nintendo's choice of Sony was due to a prior dealing: Ken Kutaragi, the person who would later be dubbed "The Father of PlayStation", was the individual who had sold Nintendo on using the Sony SPC-700 processor for use as the eight-channel ADPCM sound synthesis set in the Super Famicom/SNES console through an impressive demonstration of the processor's capabilities.

Sony also planned to develop another, Nintendo compatible, Sony-branded console, but one which would be more of a home entertainment system playing both Super Nintendo cartridges and a new CD format which Sony would design. This was also to be the format used in SNES-CD discs, giving a large degree of control to Sony despite Nintendo's leading position in the video gaming market.

The SNES-CD was to be announced at the June 1991 Consumer Electronics Show (CES). However, when Hiroshi Yamauchi read the original 1988 contract between Sony and Nintendo, he realized that the earlier agreement essentially handed Sony complete control over any and all titles written on the SNES CD-ROM format. Yamauchi decided that the contract was totally unacceptable and he secretly canceled all plans for the joint Nintendo-Sony SNES CD attachment. Instead of announcing a partnership between Sony and Nintendo, at 9 a.m. the day of the CES, Nintendo chairman Howard Lincoln stepped onto the stage and revealed that Nintendo was now allied with Philips, and Nintendo was planning on abandoning all the previous work Nintendo and Sony had accomplished. Lincoln and Minoru Arakawa had, unbeknown to Sony, flown to Philips headquarters in Europe and formed an alliance of a decidedly different nature—one that would give Nintendo total control over its licenses on Philips machines.

After the collapse of the joint project, Sony considered halting their research, but ultimately the company decided to use what they had developed so far and make it into a complete, stand alone console. As a result, Nintendo filed a lawsuit claiming breach of contract and attempted, in U.S. federal court, to obtain an injunction against the release of the PlayStation, on the grounds that Nintendo owned the name. The federal judge presiding over the case denied the injunction and, in October 1991, the first incarnation of the new Sony PlayStation was revealed. However, it is theorized that only 200 or so of these machines were ever produced.

By the end of 1992, Sony and Nintendo reached a deal whereby the "Sony Play Station" would still have a port for SNES games, but Nintendo would own the rights and receive the bulk of the profits from the games, and the SNES would continue to use the Sony-designed audio chip. However, Sony decided in early 1993 to begin reworking the "Play Station" concept to target a new generation of hardware and software. As part of this process the SNES cartridge port was dropped and the space between the names was removed.

 

 



richardhutnik on 05 January 2009
Ronster316 said:

Sony trying to get to the top off the back of other peoples success? i would never have guessed

I mean afterall, there was an article recently saying sony was one of the most innovitive companys of all time and were the creators of the CD.

History lesson people, Phillips created the CD in 1978, 3 years before sony claimed they did in 1981

Nokia were dominating the mobile/cell phone market, so what do sony do? they team up with eriksson and make their own phone.

Sony have always been the same, they wait until somthing is successful and then come along to grab a slice of the pie and take all the applause, SONY MAKE ME SICK

Gee, that sounds like Microsoft.  So, do you have an axe of hatred towards Microsoft also?  If not, why not?  Microsoft does similar things.  Even Nintendo did some bully stuff in the past, and anti-competitive practices.  The practices they introduced to the videogame business, which did help pull the videogame business out of the Crash, can be considered potentially questionably legal also.  Like, the whole licensing fees.  Game makers pay kickbacks to the makers of consoles, if they want to sell.  This was unheard of until Nintendo did it.  Same with their restricting number of third party titles on their console.  They also wanted to approve everything on their console released.  All this did save the industry, and countered the wild pre-Crash days.  BUT, they are questionably legal.

And one can get into what Microsoft has done.  MS-DOS was grab a slice of pie, sell it to IBM, and take all the applause.  This is business.  Sony had Nintendo get its comeuppance, as it appears Microsoft and Sony had done to Nintendo.



vaio on 05 January 2009
MikeB said:
@ vaio

I can try, I might still have the gaming magazine that wrote about it, but it will be in swedish if I find it and get it scanned so I can upload it.


A source is always helpful, was this in a rumour section.

Believe it or don´t doesn´t mutter to me I just thought I would share it with you all.


Without proper sources this is pretty much useless to me (and hopefully everyone else). A lot you read on the internet is complete and utter bull. Some random poster makes a claim and suddenly you read it every as "the truth" on forums. A lot of this is true with regard to 360 fanboy technical claims.

 

 No it was reported as news and a big bomb in that gaming magazine.

Why do you think they had to redesign the PS1 before releasing it?

just to take out the cartridge port? or not to let Nintendo make money of their own IP´s using said port?
If that was the case they could just take out the port and release the PS1 which they didn´t they redesigned the system in 1993 and I bet it had everything to do with the part of Sony accesing said confidential material.

As I said believe it or not it´s up to you, I will try and find that article for you but it will take some time and I will contact you when I have or if I couldn´t. I wanted to find it anyway since I wnated to write about this for a while as everyone seemed so ignorant about Sony´s history.

If you think it´s easy to find links to articles from 20 years ago then go ahead and do it, It was big news here back then and I am sure it was big news in other countries also even in your so you should be able to find it it that old articles are accesible and you will probably have an easier way of finding this info then me.

 



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GenuineClamBaker on 05 January 2009

Every major company has at one point done something arrogant or illegal(except maybe Google). Every one of them, even your beloved Sega. Get over it. You shouldn't be basing which console you prefer on the company, you should be basing it on which games appeal to you the most. Being a sore loser just because Sony screwed over Nintendo is denying yourself some very great games only available on Sony consoles.