LOL he failed.

Quoted for truth. And yes khuutra Nintendo did CHANGEDEDTEHEVERYTINGZOMG!!!

The NES was hated by the "hardcore" gamers of the 3rd generation, to the same degree as the Wii? That doesn't make any sense. So were the hardcore gamers desperately clinging to the Master System and/or Atari 7800, or did they just refuse to buy this new and incredibly innovative NES? Super Mario Brothers? What kind of sorcery is this?

A fear of "change" is definitely part of it, but most of it is just a preference for the less popular systems, and in turn, hate for the most popular one. The Playstation, contrary to belief at that time, was not very innovative. Yet it was widely hated by Nintendo and Sega fans, bitter that it was the highest selling and most popular console.

It's a combination of both, so we can't be so black and white.

Hardcore gamers at the time weren't console gamers, so to speak. "You can do so many more things with a computer!" they cried, appalled at the simplicity of a game like Super Mario Bros. where you run to one side and jump.

Yes, our hardcore grew from their casual.

I certainly agree that console fanboyism plays its part, but the part it plays is very small in the more rational crowd. Fear of change is at least justifiable; console fanboyism is, at its best, silly.

Probably my fav part of this rant.... I mean article.

Don't forget about Microsoft who's been known to use viral marketing agencies to spread unfavorable opinions on message boards about their competitors.

Which could help explain why Nintendo's DS doesn't experience the same. (since Microsoft doesn't have a handheld)

I gave away my wii to my niece with wii fit...i had it since launch day....only times it got played was when people came over til i got singstar.....now singstar is the party game

Okay then, that begs the question of who was buying videogames before the NES came out. The Atari 2600 sold about 30 million units. Since casuals didn't exist (at least not in very large numbers) and hardcore gamers were all using PCs, then where did these sales come from? How did the 2600 sell on par with the Genesis two generations earlier if there were only a couple casual gamers sprinkled here and there and hardcore gamers were playing on computers? E.T. was hyped up a lot on the 2600 before it came out (even though it ended up being disappointing). Certainly it wouldn't have been hyped that much on a console of hardcore gamers. The simple truth is that casuals have always existed and have always dominated most consoles, and that defining casual and hardcore is an exercise in stupidity. So, in effect, my argument is self-defeating. But I don't mind.

The NES was incredibly popular in its day, demolishing any competition and selling huge amounts in the American market. It didn't have much competition from home consoles, and the computer was always around (and still is). Change definitely scares a couple fanboys, but most are just angry that the console is in first place and selling games they don't like. The NES moved shovelware, so did the PS1 and PS2, and now the Wii is following suit. The Wii didn't change anything outside of control scheme, and even then, third parties aren't taking full advantage of the capabilities of the Wii-mote.

Well the fact is that as Montana says the PS3 and 360 are loved much more that the Saturn,Cube or Xbox ever were.Maybe the DC and N64 were loved in equal amount ...and that explains the amount of hathred of the nintendo and sega fans back then against Sony wishing that anyone took down Sony (even MS no less) now that their faves couldnt.

But I think theres something more to this Wii hate .

First ,its the console with the worst games by a long shot.Period.Theres really no discussing this .

Second ,it sells the most by a long shot and may put some bad ideas on developers heads about changing the industry to a casual flavoured one.


The fact that it sells the most united to the crap games create hate between core and hardcore gamers.Its totally normal .


Finally ,the Wii marketing is geared towards that blue ocean of casual players ...core and hardcore gamers dont see them represented in those ads.Just to give an example the DS and some Wii games are promoted here in Spain in some spots by a 75 years old actress called Amparo Baro.This drives nuts the oldsters and may gain lots of sales ,but generates feelings of disdain among core and hardcore users.

Yeah I can't really respond to that first paragraph for obvious reasons. The casuals were always there, it's jsut that after the gaming crash, the NES showed up and completely dominated the industry by itself, becoming a staple of popular culture for more than a decade and marginalizing PC gamers in a way that the Atari never did.

I refuse to believe that people are stupid enough that it's just fanboyism talking. I refuse. People are not that stupid. It's the idea that there won't be as much money for a game like Gears of War or Metal Gear that really frightens people, and it would take the Apocalypse of all Asinine Morons to convince me that it's about something as puerile as console allegiance.

As to what the Wii changed? Well, that's another argument altogether.