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gavind5uk said:
BD isnt in competition with DVD, it is a replacement system and as said a million times over, the studios have decided on blueray, which means in the long term its game over for DVD.

 

You're kidding right?

If not you don't really get who decides which format will eventually take over from DVD. It's not the studio's and not the BluRay association. It's the costumers. The only reason studio's want to switch to BluRay is that they have bigger margins. Problem is that prizes need to come down for mass market adoption and therefore margins will come down. And eventually the incentives given by the BR association will stop.

Plus BluRay is so far too expenive for smaller/indie studio's.

It's unwise to ignore digital distribution as a viable platform for HD films.



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Kyros said:
They care about production costs (Which are perhaps 1$ more for the BluRay disc?) and how much they can get from customers in total.

In the long run they might probably drop to this difference, at the moment  the costs connected to the Blu-Ray are higher. Ahnd you are forgetting that this is the rise in the costs for the producer. He gets roughly one third of the money the customer pays! And you are forgetting that he doesn't sell all produced discs. The sold discs have to make up the production costs for unsold and deffective discs too.

The margins aren't quite so high as you seem to believe.

 



BengaBenga said:
gavind5uk said:
BD isnt in competition with DVD, it is a replacement system and as said a million times over, the studios have decided on blueray, which means in the long term its game over for DVD.

 

You're kidding right?

If not you don't really get who decides which format will eventually take over from DVD. It's not the studio's and not the BluRay association. It's the costumers. The only reason studio's want to switch to BluRay is that they have bigger margins. Problem is that prizes need to come down for mass market adoption and therefore margins will come down. And eventually the incentives given by the BR association will stop.

Plus BluRay is so far too expenive for smaller/indie studio's.

It's unwise to ignore digital distribution as a viable platform for HD films.

 

Digital distribution is pie in the sky for another 10 years or so, 99% of computers are not connected to TV's due to lack of technical know how, logisical (most computers arent sat next to TVs) and then there are people who plain dont want it connected up. Media centre setups are more of a niche than blue ray that is for sure. I wont get into the obvious issues of connection speeds because that has been covered ad nasium and that little problem on its own turns the enmass digital distro into a non starter as a competitor to blue ray.

 

So with digital and hd dvd out of the picture the studio's are putting all their backing behind blueray, with a view in the long run to phase out the dvd, and i think alot of people overestimate the technical knowledge of the general public, once the BD players are a fairly cheap item, say £60-70, advertisements as simple as 'blueray is new and shiny' will be enough to draw most punters in. If consumers want HD with the ease of use of a DVD player then blue ray is the only option given to them, thats what i mean when i say it is not the consumer who decides.

 

And again the fact that i think is most overlooked in this discussion is that there are new buyers coming to the market everyday having not had a player of any description before, they have no libraries they hold dear, or gripes about having spent $$$ on their last system.

 

At the end of the day the vast majority of arguments citing why the blueray will fail, expense of films, expense of players, people dont need it (DVD is good enough, even for people who dont own any DVD's apparently) etc. The fact is, if any of these arguments held water in the long term sales of a product, then right now we would all be still watching VHS as DVD would have died a death years ago.

 

 



Again with the Digital Distribution vs Blu Ray, it wouldn't bother me so much if the majority that bring DD to the picture weren't first HD-DVD supporters, Microsoft's PR is like "Simon says" to them...

HD-DVD was a phreaking DISC just as Blu-Ray, and if all of this is because Sony's hate then guess what??? they should never buy a CD, or a DVD, because Sony was key on the composition of both formats...



You dont need a computer just an Internet connection to a media box....

Already in the UK there is

Microsoft Netflix
Sky On Demand
BT Vision
Virgin
Top up TV

All of these services provide a movie download Rent to View function.

I think we need to seperate HD out of Digital Distribution tho. I mean it already happens but I just watch SD stuff on DD because of the price differential.

For that reason I see Blu Ray being succesful as a the HD distribution medium and DD owning the rental market



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Cypher1980 said:
You dont need a computer just an Internet connection to a media box....

Already in the UK there is

Microsoft Netflix
Sky On Demand
BT Vision
Virgin
Top up TV

All of these services provide a movie download Rent to View function.

I think we need to seperate HD out of Digital Distribution tho. I mean it already happens but I just watch SD stuff on DD because of the price differential.

For that reason I see Blu Ray being succesful as a the HD distribution medium and DD owning the rental market

 

I agree, the DD & BD are serving two different purposes at the moment, even  the guy who runs netflix says as a replacement it is way off:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/05/technology/05tele.html?ref=technology



Blu-Ray is niche to say the least. I who own a surround sound system and HDTV, PS3 and DVD player will only purchase "select" movies on Blu-Ray. Movies with great special effects like Independence Day, MIB, Transformers, Dark Knight, and any movie with 7.1 channel sound. Other then that I will continue to purchase DVDs.

 

Is there any reason I want to see Pineapple Express on Blu-Ray? No.



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XGamer0611 said:

Blu-Ray is niche to say the least. I who own a surround sound system and HDTV, PS3 and DVD player will only purchase "select" movies on Blu-Ray. Movies with great special effects like Independence Day, MIB, Transformers, Dark Knight, and any movie with 7.1 channel sound. Other then that I will continue to purchase DVDs.

 

Is there any reason I want to see Pineapple Express on Blu-Ray? No.

 

I don't want to see that one even on DVD

But i agree with choosing... For example, i'm a sucker for stand-up comedy, and unless the Blu-Ray version comes with real extra material, i'm just fine with upscaled DVD, i don't need to see George Carlin or Chris Rock in full-HD...

On the contrary, live music is my other passion, and i already ordered Rush: Snakes and Arrows on Blu-Ray, this format is incredible for live music...



Although BD is surely alive and kicking It looks like doom and gloom against blazes of glory discussions are always even more lively
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