no. Worldwide there is an approximate 10-11million, mostly refugees who are *technically* not citizens of any country since Palestine doesn't exist. However, there are about 3.8m in the actual WB and Gaza, then another 1.3m in Israel, then another 2.7m in Jordan, etc. So, yes, even today the people who would ask for return to Palestine if it were created, or at least citizenship, would be probably around 10m.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_people

That's really not the same thing.

The guy is obviously a bastard... sending his own kid on a suicide mission??

On the other hand, killing his whole family just to get him is stupid and extremely ironic considering the previous paragraph...

Exactly. Afterall, there are close to 14-million Jews worldwide as well, and we certainly wouldn't count those numbers either.  There are plenty of people on both sides that don't want to be citizens of a Palestinian nation or an Israeli one.  I think this is especially the case of those people in both groups that live good lives in western nations, and don't see the benefit of moving into the middle of a battleground.

earlier in the day he asked israel to martyr him.  he kept them there and stayed in his home hoping for this to happen.  his family were only tools to him...he didnt care about them.  he even used his house as a weapons depot.

Sure, but all of those Jews are not Israelis.

Whereas as I said, IF there were a Palestine there would be about 10-12million Arabs living in Palestine w/ citizenship. If Israel didn't illegally keep them out for the last 50 years they would be in WB or Gaza right now.

So, yes, it is exactly the same thing.

All religions are false and fighting in the name of god is a waste of time, resources and life...


There, problem solved

Actually, if that is the rule, the Palestinians are not Palestinians either, because there has never been a national entity called Palestine.  But they are Palestinians because their ancestors came from a British Territory that was called Palestine.  Just the same way Jews are called such because of the word Yehuda which translate to Judah in English wish was one of the two nations of Jews in ancient time (Yisrael & Yehuda) after the national split.

Also, every Jew has the right to return and make aliyah simply by declaring your intentions... so any Jews who wishes to be an Israeli simply needs to make aliyah (lit. ascend, but has become immigrate) and declare your intentions to remain their and you are granted citizenship (actually, there are a few other rules, but those are the basics).

My point is, if a non-natural born Palestinian (one who was born outside of the Palestinian Authority, because of their family's exile or fleeing the nation) has the right to the land, then so do Jews (whose families left for the same reason, though earlier).

Oh hell, let's just find the decendants of the Canaanites while we're at it, because they were there before Palestinians of Jews were... and while were at it, let's dig a little deeper in history to see who they displaced and let them return as well.

It's a neverending cycle...

Why not do the same thing to America?  The American displaced the Confederate States (CSA) which had originally displaced America, which displaced Texas, which displaced Mexico, which displaced Spain, which displaced Native Americans, who were busy displacing each other...

How about France?  They displaced the Germanic tribes that displaced the Romans who had displaced the Celts...

Or let's just make it more personal for me... The French invaded Alsace-Lorraine and oppressed my German speaking relatives who had to flee to America... and before that, they had been driven from Russia because they didn't like Jews (confiscated their farms and killed some of my family).  And this isn't ancient history either, this just happened relatively shortly before the 1948 war in Israel.

So my question is, where do we draw the line?  Should I be able to hop a plane and fly to Russia and confiscate our 200 acres back?  What if new families live there?  What if a town has been built there? 

Where is the line drawn?  Is it X number of years?  What are the rules?

ok, that is crazy talk.

The only reason the ~9m Palestinians that technically were not born on Palestinian soil but in refugee camps and other areas within the world is because Israel wouldn't allow their parents/granparents back to their homes.

However, your technically right, any Jew can get instant citizenship. So if 100% of each went back this yes right now there would finally be more Jews in Palestine than Arabs. However, I would bet without a doubt that no where near the majority of the Jews on Earth that don't already have Israeli citizenship would go for it. Obviously that is just my opinion.

We are also not talking about 200 years ago or Russia and France which are countries that have existed for, pretty much ever. We are talking about one tiny little area where the native people who had been the majority population by a huge margin for at least 1200 years, had their land ripped away by Eurpeans for Eurpeans because of what the first Eurpeans did to latter. Finally, even when that European group had amassed a large enough group to ensure they kept the land, granted ~80% of which they had legally purchased, they still were not the majority on the land.

That is really the only time population figures have ever mattered.

Did you know the Dome of the Rock has stood longer than both of the Jewish Temples combined? I know that it is sort of off the main point, but it does say something for how long Arabs have been the majority population in that region. Not to mention it wasn't Arabs that caused Jews to be driven out in the first place. Nor was Palestine the Zionist first or second or third place they considered. Hell it was a few years into their movement before they even considered Palestine.

Anyway, my point was to the original post that Jews were the majority in 1948 and earlier and it wouldn't be true now if Palestine as a state would have existed since 1948 as well. (I mean side by side w/ Israel of course, not instead of.)

One thing I have always found funny, a couple of years ago I was reading population estimates for Israel proper, I think on Ha'aretz, and it was discussing the vast difference in birth rates between Jewish-Israelis and Arab-Israelis. It noted that if Israel isn't able to significantly increase the number of non-Israeli Jews immigrating to Israel, Arabs very well could be the majority by 2020, I think. So, all of our argueing and this current bloodshed could all be in vein. 2020 might be the year Palestine is reunited by way of a vote. :)

So, I would think it is in Israel's best interest to hurry up and create peace by getting out of WB and Golan Heights. At least then they can pursued the remaining Arabs in Israel to relocate.

I'd like to see him answer this because it does seem to be what he's saying they ought to have done.