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blackstar said:
I'm Palestinian but I've never been there and I have a Jordanian nationality, most of my family live in Palestine in Daffah
I don't care about Hamas nor the Israeli government but I care about innocent people being killed , the number of dead palestinians is now above 300 in 3 days and I can do nothing but keep praying for them

 

Yeah, its horrible. Of course our government won't ever be brave enough to ignore the Jewish lobby and do whats right.



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Comrade Tovya said:
I actually have a friend who is Palestinian (I'll refrain from name because her last name is infamous due to her terrorist relatives).

Anyway, the first time she ever visited the Palestinian Autonomous Zones, she was actually pretty shocked.

Bear in mind that she was raised in America (and is by no means a devout Muslim), has tattoos and multiple body piercings, etc.

When she first got to the Israeli border security post, the soldiers checked her passport out and saw her last name, and they were like, "wow, your family is famous!"

She had no idea back then what they were talking about.

Anyway, she drove to her grandfather's house (whom she had never met prior to this time) and they had a family reunion of sorts. All of her cousins, aunts, and uncles were there.

She told me that one of her little 8-year old cousins was walking around the house with an AK-47 talking about being a martyr. She was of course shocked, being that over here in the States, that would be considered child endangerment amongst other things.

One of her other cousins took her into a back room, and showed her a closet that was jam packed with rocket propelled grenades, assault rifles, and other weapons.

She said that she'd heard that kids over there started learning the ways of violence very young, but that she had no idea how serious that accusation was until she saw it with her own eyes.

Long story short, she told me that it was her first and final visit, and that she would never go back, because it was just too frightening.

Since that time, one of her terrorist uncles were killed in combat against Israeli soldiers (he was in the ministry of education for the Palestinians, so that should tell you where the kids over there get it from) and the other was arrested (he was a general who has made the news more than once for authorizing terrorist attacks on Jewish children, and has since been arrested for such).

It's a crazy place for a kid to grow up because they are brainwashed from an early age to kill. Change doesn't begin with the adults, it begins with the youth... the children. You have to instill the importance of the value of life into their kids, or all of the peace summits in the world won't do a bit of good.

And public crucifixions will do nothing but further erode the innocence of their children.

I call shenanigans. Your whole story is BS.

My wife's family is Palestinian. (None are actually linked to any fighter group and all of her siblings are US born).

When one of her sisters was going to go visit Palestine a few years back she flew accompanied by a cousin who happenend to be going at the same time. This cousin, also not part of a fighter group, is a known anti-Israeli writer who has published many articles against Israel and US unbiased support. When they arrived in Tel Aviv they were both arrested and thrown in a jail.

Her sister was 19, had never written anything against Israel, is not Muslim (i.e. looks/dresses American), had a passport, and kept insisting that she had no idea about her other cousins writings, yet she was detained in horrible conditions in an Israeli jail for 48hrs before being sent right back to the US. They wouldn't even let her call anyone, not even the US embassy.

That is why your story is BS.

1. Your friend would never of been let in to Israel if her family is as you descibed. Israel's security is way too tight for that.
2. No Muslim Arab family would want to be caught dead with a family member as you described in their home town. They are very superficial and if they were as radical as you described she would not have been welcomed.
3. My wife's four youngest brothers were born here and raised in Palestine for 5 years, would have probably stayed longer but passport restrictions only allow minors to be valid for 5 years. They all went through grade school and some middle school over there and NEVER were they taught violence, weapon use, etc.

They definitely had no love for Israeli terrorists (aka settlers) and a lot of fear of the Israeli Soldiers, but that was warranted as daily life for an Arab (Christian and Muslim) in Palestine is constant abuse.

 



ssj12 said:

It makes perfect sense if you look at the confines of what it means to do a crucifixion. The only time it was used was when someone did something horrid against the empire or shook the general order of things.

If it is not used in the way it was originally meant to it would fall into basic torcher rather than defending the beliefs of your kingdom.

The crucifixion of Christ was justifiable but if some random joe gets crucified without stirring up a load of crap like Jesus did that it is not justifiable.

Wut? I thought Jesus was crucified with some petty thieves. Which Bible you been reading ssj?

Also, I thought Pontius didn't want to crucify Jesus but he bowed to political pressure. That makes it justifiable?



Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't crucification reserved for "special" recipients? I seem to remember reading that a certain level had to be given for the effort of being crucified but maybe I'm wrong.
didnt see anyone asnwer you

you are correct
Hah. Thought so. Thanks, ssj.

Given that, why would a common rabble-rouser be crucified?
same reason as Jesus. Shake the foundations of the rulers beliefs forced upon its people.

Otherwise there is no reason and they are going against the Geneva Conventions. Bascially taking what was supposed to be used against threats against ones beliefs and making it torcher.
The only way that post makes sense is if I'm being teased.
It makes perfect sense if you look at the confines of what it means to do a crucifixion. The only time it was used was when someone did something horrid against the empire or shook the general order of things.

If it is not used in the way it was originally meant to it would fall into basic torcher rather than defending the beliefs of your kingdom.

The crucifixion of Christ was justifiable but if some random joe gets crucified without stirring up a load of crap like Jesus did that it is not justifiable.

Unless I'm much mistaken, rocketpig was REFERRING to Jesus when he mentioned "a common rabble-rouser", and the only other one mentioned in this thread is Spartacus.  So I thought you were referring to Spartacus instead of a generic person, and that would mean you saw my post which answered his after all. 

Also, your reference to the Geneva Conventions which date to 1864. 

I also believe that rocketpig was implying with his question that a common rabble-rouser would NOT normally be crucified, which is contrary to what both you and I are now saying.  rocketpig, please correct me if this is wrong.

No, that's pretty much my point. I love being impish. Thank you for pointing out what I thought was painfully obvious with my previous statement.

If Jesus meant nothing, he wouldn't have been crucified.

 




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Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
Final-Fan said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
ssj12 said:
rocketpig said:
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't crucification reserved for "special" recipients? I seem to remember reading that a certain level had to be given for the effort of being crucified but maybe I'm wrong.
didnt see anyone asnwer you

you are correct
Hah. Thought so. Thanks, ssj.

Given that, why would a common rabble-rouser be crucified?
same reason as Jesus. Shake the foundations of the rulers beliefs forced upon its people.

Otherwise there is no reason and they are going against the Geneva Conventions. Bascially taking what was supposed to be used against threats against ones beliefs and making it torcher.
The only way that post makes sense is if I'm being teased.
It makes perfect sense if you look at the confines of what it means to do a crucifixion. The only time it was used was when someone did something horrid against the empire or shook the general order of things.

If it is not used in the way it was originally meant to it would fall into basic torcher rather than defending the beliefs of your kingdom.

The crucifixion of Christ was justifiable but if some random joe gets crucified without stirring up a load of crap like Jesus did that it is not justifiable.

Unless I'm much mistaken, rocketpig was REFERRING to Jesus when he mentioned "a common rabble-rouser", and the only other one mentioned in this thread is Spartacus.  So I thought you were referring to Spartacus instead of a generic person, and that would mean you saw my post which answered his after all. 

Also, your reference to the Geneva Conventions which date to 1864. 

I also believe that rocketpig was implying with his question that a common rabble-rouser would NOT normally be crucified, which is contrary to what both you and I are now saying.  rocketpig, please correct me if this is wrong.

No, that's pretty much my point. I love being impish.

 




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Avinash_Tyagi said:
midwinter said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Final-Fan said:
I'm going to sleep now. Avinash_Tyagi, I leave you with this reiteration of an earlier point that may have gotten lost in the shuffle:

What exactly is your alternate theory here? How did his existence get manufactured in such a brief time? Why didn't anyone say anything like "wait a second that never happened, there was no such Jesus"?

To say simply that we aren't OMG 100% ABSOLUTELY sure of the "Jesus was real" view isn't good enough. There has to be a "Jesus wasn't real" view that at least makes some sense. What is it?

 

 I already answered that question, one prevailing theory is that Jesus is actually an Amalgamation story, drawn from Mithras, Horus, Prometheus and other saviors

Where did you get that theory? Jesus did walk this earth if you believe he is the savior or not. This is proven fact. Now what makes Jesus unique from myths is the time period the Christians sprung up and that there were people in power actively seeking to destroy this group due to the heralding of a new "king" (Jesus). The rulers at the time were so concerned regarding the truth of this "movement" that they put most of the early Christians to death.

You may want to argue that early Christians were crazy or dillusional, but the early followers were actually a diverse group composed of all different walks of life including doctors and people who once had killed other Christians and then heard the story of Jesus and changed their ways.

Personally I wouldn't allow myself to be crucified upside down, tortured, or dejected by society for a story I knew to be false.

 

 

 Nope sorry its not a proven fact, in fact its not even very substantiated, its only theorized that he existed, don't agree well then show me the proof, as i've said, show me some actual records, like a certificate of death, or his bones and tomb

 

Show me the bones of Socrates or Confucius, even though he did his crosswords with a pen.




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fkusumot said:
ssj12 said:

It makes perfect sense if you look at the confines of what it means to do a crucifixion. The only time it was used was when someone did something horrid against the empire or shook the general order of things.

If it is not used in the way it was originally meant to it would fall into basic torcher rather than defending the beliefs of your kingdom.

The crucifixion of Christ was justifiable but if some random joe gets crucified without stirring up a load of crap like Jesus did that it is not justifiable.

Wut? I thought Jesus was crucified with some petty thieves. Which Bible you been reading ssj?

Also, I thought Pontius didn't want to crucify Jesus but he bowed to political pressure. That makes it justifiable?


I blame Wii Fit.




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Hamas always seem to be a one step forwards, two steps back organisation. you can make progress with them (wanting to talk to Obama about certain resolutions) but then they start doing stupid things (everything they have done in the past week, which is a lot).

I understand that it is unlikely that anyone would be crucified, but it is still extreme lengths, even for capital punishment.



highwaystar101 said:
Hamas always seem to be a one step forwards, two steps back organisation. you can make progress with them (wanting to talk to Obama about certain resolutions) but then they start doing stupid things (everything they have done in the past week, which is a lot).

I understand that it is unlikely that anyone would be crucified, but it is still extreme lengths, even for capital punishment.

 

Despite our political differences across nations, there's one thing we should be able to agree on:

Hamas, and the Gaza Strip in general, has fucked themselves beyond belief.

Just when you think they're sane, they pull this kind of shit... again. Seriously, why shouldn't the western world allow Israel to bomb the shit out of them? Anyone?!? Answers?

They're not rational. Maybe I'm a little too American, but those dumbfucks just need to be turned into a glass parking lot. Everyone has tried to rationalize with them, it just doesn't work. One step forward, two steps back.

Just end it.




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Crucifixion's a doddle.

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But seriously, the entire Arab world has just got to come to terms with Israel's existence. Maybe it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but nothing (at least nothing that wouldn't end in unprecedented bloodshed) can change that.

The Palestinians have freedom, people, and some land. Surely they can get a proper government and act as a responsible nation? Firing rockets at Israel is the perfect way to for Palestine to end up killing many more of their own people. Israel is willing to let Palestine exist, give aid and even trade with them as long as they don't threaten them.

I'm certain that most Palestinians want to feed their families and live peacefully. Supporting a radical religious leadership is not going to achieve that.