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The_vagabond7 said:
Look, with PCs you get what you pay for and yes it's not as simple as a console. Fucking duh. But if you are willing to put down a little extra money (not nearly as much as console fans like to think though) and actually know what you're doing, PCs blow consoles out of the water in terms of graphics, and smoothness, as well as longevity on account of prevalent modding. But yes, you do have to pay a little more, and yes you have to know how to use one. There are an abundance of PC gamers that don't have their systems crash, and bugs, and incompatibility issues. It's because they are PC gamers, and you're doing it wrong.

Just like people say Blu-ray and PS3 and a HD TV and 7.1 surround are top of the line as far as consoles go, and yeah you can buy a cheap ass wii and play on your SDTV for way less, but you get what you pay for. Not everybody cares or wants blu-ray, a PS3 and HDTV and a receiver for the speakers and all the other equipment, alot of people are obviously very happy with a wii and SDTV, but all that other stuff is there if you are an enthusiast that wants to put the time and money into it in order to get the absolute best.

PC is the same damn thing. Yes you have to upgrade, you have to know what you're doing, and you have to want it. If you don't great, go enjoy whatever you have. But if for some reason you want to play the latest games in 1080p at 60 frames a second with improved textures, shading and geometry that option is there. So don't act like that option is somehow inferior, that's just dumbass.

I agree with mostly what you said however I have a college diploma in computer networking and have working in IT tech support for 4 years, until I changed careers recently. Crysis still crashed and I do not have any means of fixing it right now. 

I've ran in to so much unexplained compatibility BS in my days of doing IT. Like using 2 different brands of RAM of same speed crashing your system type of BS... While its not as bad as console gamers tend to think...there still can be compatibility issues that people may not have the time or patience to deal with.



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I am a fan of PC gaming since the DOS times, in fact, every game that comes out simultaneously on my PS3 and my PC, i get it on PC (except those games that are meant to play offline multiplayer, like Winning Eleven), not to mention all the 360-PC games, like Left 4 Dead, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc...

But i acknowledge that PC gaming is not for everyone, most people don't want to build their own gaming rig, or pay for a built one (they're usually expensive), that's where the consoles get the advantage...

BTW, @disolitude: You know you have a great computer when Crysis crashes on it

/Crysis joke



Consoles are plug and play, with a focus on play. And this play means LOTS of a wide range of games. With the PC, it is tweak and update, and remove boards and tweaking and running the Mad Onion demo to impress people you know (and on the net), and also some massive multiplayer online, some strategy stuff, and games like Crysis. And keep running Crysis because it looks SOO PRETTY! It also means no game rentals ether.

If you want to game with less headaches, you go console.

If you want to be thought of as a "power gamer" go PC.



I'm a PC-gamer first and foremost since I want to have access to PC exclusive games and the best versions of multiplatform, use a KB/mouse for FPS & RTS-games, and to be able to run games on higher settings than on consoles. I've bought and built PCs regularly since 1995.

But a couple of points:

1. There is a lot of hazzle with PC gaming. It's really pissing me off how user un-friendly PCs are. You have a lot of issues to get PC games working - all kinds of graphics problems, patching, updates, Direct X this & that, missing dll files, non-compatible graphics drivers etc. It's 2008 and it's still as frustrating as it was for me in 1995.

2. PC versions aren't that superior. Yes, I can run most games in 1920x1200 and add sum extra AF and AA compared to console versions, but to be honest those three things aren't the most important for beautiful graphics.

We're 3 years into this console generation and the console versions still have exactly:
* the same quality of textures and bumbmaps
* the same amount of polygons and complexity of all 3D models
* the same HDR-lighting and other lighting & shadow-effects


So in conclusion, PC gaming only adds quite little to graphics quality for quite a lot of hazzle.





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FrostyTop said:
freedquaker said:

There is no question that the latest graphics on PCs will always outshine the consoles after 2-3 years on their lifetime. On the other hand, the console graphics usually look considerably better when they are first released before catchup of the PC and look better for a long time than the average PC (not the new/high end PCs). The problem with gaming on PC is not only about price, but lack of smoothness and stability of the consoles. When you buy a console, you know that every game for it will run from day 1 till the end of its life.

People forget something, who claim that a PC which is bought now will have a reasonable price and be much more powerful than the consoles. That's kind of true but confined to a very narrow outlook.

Let's assume that you have a bought a console on the same as Xbox 360 was released back in 2005. You paid like $400 for 360 and like $800 for the PC (general purpose, gaming + other things, so the price is ok). And lets assume that the life of 360 is around 6-7 years. So I will be able to play all the games on it till 2011-12 with an almost perfectly smooth and stable experience. Let's see what's going to happen with the games on PC.

- Most games require huge installs, and many other tweaks, in order to start playing the game, you need to give extra effort and time.

- You will have many problems on the way, some of them will be incompatible with your system due to some unknown freaking reason, system conflict, whatever.

- Let's just not forget the virus, spyware and other god darn problems!

- For the first few years, most games will work with few problems, but game will not run as smooth and as stable as on the consoles. Because of the million different type of PCs out there, your configuration is too specific to be optimised for.

- After a couple of years, there will be a significant number of games that you either cannot run or can run on very low settings, losing a lot of the graphics, smoothnees and gameplay stability.

- For the last few years, there will be only a handfull of games that are playable on your computer, some of them not even at optimal solutions.

- Your PC which was bought on the same day of the 360's release almost never outshined its competitor. The graphics on the PC usually had little or no improvement on its life cycle due to the lack of optimization for your hardware, but they could possibility get even worse as you'd play future games at lower settings etc. The console graphics have improved considerably on the other hand as game developers had better optimizations for the specific hardware.

- In Summary, PC graphics will outdo the console graphics only if you buy a new PC or make a hefty upgrade every one or two years.

 

 What a load of total tosh, you're writing is almost completely incorrect.

Pyro as Bill has put you straight!

 

 Whats incorrect about it? Thats what happened to me for the last two decades since Dos to windows vista, from x386 to quad core, from "half MB graphics card" to geforce 9 series!



Playstation 5 vs XBox Series Market Share Estimates

Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

Sales Estimations for 8th Generation Consoles

Next Gen Consoles Impressions and Estimates

Hehe I actually don't give 2 sh*ts about graphics but I'm not silly enough to say consoles graphics are better no matter what conditions we are using. Spyware, lol.

I paid £150 end of 2006 for a 7900GTX, less than my Wii costs and it runs everything great (-Crysis). I've saved enough on games compared to console to buy myself a new card early next year, £150 HD4850 maybe 4870. I might not even bother seen as all but Crysis play great. Crysis Warhead is fine. I only bought my first graphics card because of Supreme Commander anyway. Having more units on screen is more important to me than graphics. If the new Total War game is unplayable, I'll upgrade and sell my old one for a small sum so my buddy can play TF2 and L4D.

PC gaming from scratch is definitely more expensive, I agree but at some point the desktop your using needs upgrading so why not throw a graphics card in there? Upwards of $2000 my arse unless its for the latest and greatest or an awesome gaming laptop.

Yeh PCs definitely have a higher barrier for entry and aren't the ideal choice for most gamers. Local multiplayer for example.

I take issue with "PC aren't getting a better experience this gen". Dude thats's utter bull compared to the HD consoles. All the multiplats are better on the PC. The PC has pretty much the whole 360 library too. Team Fortress 2 is my favourite game for the last year, It's nigh on unplayable on 360. Supreme Commander too.



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The_vagabond7 said:
Look, with PCs you get what you pay for and yes it's not as simple as a console. Fucking duh. But if you are willing to put down a little extra money (not nearly as much as console fans like to think though) and actually know what you're doing, PCs blow consoles out of the water in terms of graphics, and smoothness, as well as longevity on account of prevalent modding. But yes, you do have to pay a little more, and yes you have to know how to use one. There are an abundance of PC gamers that don't have their systems crash, and bugs, and incompatibility issues. It's because they are PC gamers, and you're doing it wrong.

Just like people say Blu-ray and PS3 and a HD TV and 7.1 surround are top of the line as far as consoles go, and yeah you can buy a cheap ass wii and play on your SDTV for way less, but you get what you pay for. Not everybody cares or wants blu-ray, a PS3 and HDTV and a receiver for the speakers and all the other equipment, alot of people are obviously very happy with a wii and SDTV, but all that other stuff is there if you are an enthusiast that wants to put the time and money into it in order to get the absolute best.

PC is the same damn thing. Yes you have to upgrade, you have to know what you're doing, and you have to want it. If you don't great, go enjoy whatever you have. But if for some reason you want to play the latest games in 1080p at 60 frames a second with improved textures, shading and geometry that option is there. So don't act like that option is somehow inferior, that's just dumbass.

Please dont pretend like PC gaming is smooth and those crashes happen to only amateurs or newbees. I've been using PCs for twenty years since the very early inception x386 (after a smooth transition from Amiga to PC platform), and the PCs are a must for me. I dislike macs but desperately miss my Amiga days. PC is a must, and have no freaking intention to leave it, but You dont need to be a PC fanboy! There isnt a single period in PC gaming that I havent met lots of unnecessary and stupid crashes. Its not only "a little" more expensive, far more exensive than console gaming (if you buy the PC for only or mostly for gaming). Just try to use the same old PC for games which you bought 3 years back, and compare the gaming experience, for God's sake.

Its not only pricing only. There are too much hassle to it. Everytime that I install a game on my PC, I am worried about the stability of the whole system. There are multiple times that I had to format the whole system and lost various precious data, documents etc. Luckily being much older and more experienced now, I rarely fall into such loopholes and thats why I have several PCs, one reserved strictly for business, and one for gaming purposes.

 



Playstation 5 vs XBox Series Market Share Estimates

Regional Analysis  (only MS and Sony Consoles)
Europe     => XB1 : 23-24 % vs PS4 : 76-77%
N. America => XB1 :  49-52% vs PS4 : 48-51%
Global     => XB1 :  32-34% vs PS4 : 66-68%

Sales Estimations for 8th Generation Consoles

Next Gen Consoles Impressions and Estimates

freedquaker said:

There is no question that the latest graphics on PCs will always outshine the consoles after 2-3 years on their lifetime. On the other hand, the console graphics usually look considerably better when they are first released before catchup of the PC and look better for a long time than the average PC (not the new/high end PCs). The problem with gaming on PC is not only about price, but lack of smoothness and stability of the consoles. When you buy a console, you know that every game for it will run from day 1 till the end of its life.

A top of the line PC will outperform a console at launch. A console's hardware is usually set in stone about 12 months before launch. PCs don't play by those rules. Look at the hardware that was available in November of 2006... It absolutely annihilates the PS3.

People forget something, who claim that a PC which is bought now will have a reasonable price and be much more powerful than the consoles. That's kind of true but confined to a very narrow outlook.

How is that confined to a narrow outlook? It's true. For $600, you can build a rig that will destroy any console out there.

Let's assume that you have bought a console on the same day as Xbox 360 was released back in 2005. You paid like $400 for 360 and like $800 for the PC (general purpose, gaming + other things, so the price is ok). And lets assume that the life of 360 is around 6-7 years. So I will be able to play all the games on it till 2011-12 with an almost perfectly smooth and stable experience. Let's see what's going to happen with the games on PC.

You'd still probably be playing that PC, though not Crysis and not any other top-shelf games on high settings. It's true, consoles do offer more stability and longterm benefits. Only the most ardent PC fanboys would argue that.

- Most games require huge installs, and many other tweaks, in order to start playing the game, you need to give extra effort and time.

PS3 games often require an install. It's been a long time since I've seen a game that didn't install and play, though obvious glitches with hardware do exist out there. I'm not denying that PCs are more complicated but I think you're playing it up a bit.

- You will have many problems on the way, some of them will be incompatible with your system due to some unknown freaking reason, system conflict, whatever.

Very rarely does that happen. But, it does, so I'll give you that. Again, the word "many" makes it sound like you have to driver-search and update for every game you buy. That's not the case.

- Let's just not forget the virus, spyware and other god darn problems!

Don't be an idiot and this isn't a problem. PERIOD.

- For the first few years, most games will work with few problems, but game will not run as smooth and as stable as on the consoles. Because of the million different type of PCs out there, your configuration is too specific to be optimised for.

No, you won't be optimized but many decent PCs can just outmuscle the optimization and run most games without significant problems (like, say, the horrid texture loading problems on PS3/360 UE3 games).

- After a couple of years, there will be a significant number of games that you either cannot run or can run on very low settings, losing a lot of the graphics, smoothnees and gameplay stability.

If you spend your money wisely, your PC will run almost any game for up to three years and beyond, barring a monster engine like Crytek releasing that pushes even the newest hardware.

- For the last few years, there will be only a handfull of games that are playable on your computer, some of them not even at optimal solutions.

True. PC gaming is more expensive overall, but then again, the machine is a multi-tasking monster and is often used for several other things, eating the additional cost.

- Your PC which was bought on the same day of the 360's release almost never outshined its competitor. The graphics on the PC usually had little or no improvement on its life cycle due to the lack of optimization for your hardware, but they could possibility get even worse as you'd play future games at lower settings etc. The console graphics have improved considerably on the other hand as game developers had better optimizations for the specific hardware.

I didn't see anything on the 360 until Gears of War that trumped Half-Life 2 on high and Valve doesn't produce processor-eating engines. They're actually somewhat mild, really. When did HL2 release? 2004 IIRC. Over a year before the 360...

- In Summary, PC graphics will outdo the console graphics only if you buy a new PC or make a hefty upgrade every one or two years.

Flat out untrue. If you spent $800 on a PC when the PS3 released, you'd still be able to play almost any game released (Mass Effect, CoD4, etc) on high settings and you'd probably be able to squeak out low/mid on Crysis, which still looks better than anything found on either HD console.

This myth that PCs have to be upgraded every twelve months really needs to die. It's on the level of "PS3 has no games" at this point.

 

 




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ok, fine a bit of hyperbole there. Crashes do happen to everyone, regardless of tech savvyness but it's certainly not nigh unplayable or as big of a problem as many console enthusiasts like to paint it as. For the most part I haven't had any game with significant stability issues since Half Life 2 back in the day, and then I learned it was just some patch that valve released that actually screwed something up for me. I don't even have a good rig by todays standards and I still run games like bioshock just fine and better looking than on PS3 or 360.



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