"Why the fuck do Dreamcast games looke better than Wii games"
Sonic Unleashed looks worse than Sonic Adventure 1 and 2? Wow!
Mario Galaxy's graphics on par with dreamcast games? And Brawl too? Unbelievable!

What a bunch of idiots :|

"Name me 5 Wii games in 09"
The Conduit
Madworld
POSSIBLY Mega Man 10
Sin and Punishment 2
Punch Out!
New Tales game possibly
Possibly DQX
Fatal Frame 4
Cave Story Wii

The list goes on, not to mention NOT ALL games for 2009 has been announced. FFS, 2008 isn't even over yet.

"Name 5 Wii games worth playing"
Brawl
MKWii
Fire Emblem
Metroid Prime 3
Mega Man 9
World of Goo
Bomberman Blast
Wario Land Shake It
Mario Galaxy
Strongbad games (5 of them!)
Wii Sports
Zelda TP
The list goes on, hell, I bet I missed alot of Wii games.

""Im afraid DQ X will look worse than DQVIII""
...No comment.

"The Wii doesnt count its in its own market"
Uh, what?

A friend of mine, who is an editor at Nintendo World Report, once said that perhaps the reason game journalism is so immature is because the journalists aren't really journalists but gamers who got lucky and were picked to talk about games.

I know this for a fact because my friends used to run their own gaming website and freely commented on games through their podcast. If you have the money, the skills and the technology to pull it off you can easily create a game websites without even knowing a lick of journalism or even integrity. You can get away with it too because your fanbase is just as young as you are.

This is why places like IGN and 1up seem to immature. They place their own gaming values over logic and critical thinking. If they don't like a game or system they freely talk about it because they don't know any better and fans accept it that way. Hell, my friends constantly bashed the PSP and PS3 on their podcast, so it goes to show you how immature these sites can be.

Compare this to sites and magazines like PC Gamer and Nintendo Power. They ARE run by journalists, people who work deep within the industry and know how things work, hence why their articles and comments are more articulated and thoughtful.

One way to tell if a site is run by young gamers is by the content. For example, if they use RADICAL and EXTREME attitudes, its run by young gamers. Game Daily and Games Radar are perfect examples of this since half of their content focuses on stereotypical gamer humor and attitudes (like commentary on things like chest hair and boobs).

I have to agree that 1up needs to clean up their act. EGM is closing it doors, and if they go on like this 1up will be next. The Wii, whether you like it or not, is here to stay and has now established new elements into gaming, meaning that we should pay attention because the future might be drastically different from what we imagined. If you decide to keep up the snobbish attitude you'll be looked down as fools who didn't want to accept reality.

To be fair, paper magazines are a dying breed.

So far, in every generation the most successful videogame system was a conventional (arguably obsolete) piece of hardware that sold well in spite of more powerful consoles (and dramatically more powerful PCs) being readily available.

Unlike most previous generations, the elitist "Hardcore" gamers in this generation (which the gaming "Press" is made up of) favoured different consoles than the majority of gamers. The reason for this is because the leading console in this generation is built upon a different set of values than the other consoles, which is quite an unusual situation when compared to most generations. In many ways the Wii is built around traditional values of videogame consoles, while the HD consoles are build around values designed to appeal to elitist "Hardcore" gamers

As much as I want to say that this is a temporary situation, most games for the Wii will always be looked at as "... how much better this would be if it was released for a HD console ..." so I would never expect some people to accept that the Wii has good games, and will see more good games in the future.

As these sites become more irrelevant, they become more irritated. It's pretty amusing.

i love 1 up yours, its the best podcast

I got back some very old magazines from my parents.
It's shocking as PC game mags were already saying nasty things towards NES and Sega Master System consoles back in the day. The same as today. They were even mocking the SNES and Megadrive (here in Europe, that's the name of Genesis), and those "stupid japanese games", as japanese games were the bulk of these consoles games.

 So pretty much replace Japanese with Casual and replace SNES and Megadrive with Wii and you got the 4th gen arguments now in the 7th gen.

"Why the fuck do Dreamcast games look better than Wii games"

hmm..Dreamcast was a great console during that time. If the Wii was made during last gen 1up would have a different view of the Wii system.Now with both HD consoles have great HD graphix, and Wii being the inferior. So I understand 1up said this.

Fix'd.