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KylieDog said:
Solid_Raiden said:

What about Dryden's posts? The thing is that you just look over any posts with real merit, skip them and only respond to the ones that don't tackle your argument.
Your right, the blindness of fanboys is amazing, but so is that of the haters.

But no one is going to change your mind when you have your mind set on changing the world on this matter.

 

What Dryden and  Kasz216 are debating has nothing to do with my issues with LBP, which are to do with the moderation of levels so they can sell it to us instead, in a game which promotes creative freedom.  MM outright lied about allowing us to use copyrighted IPs (which is legally allowed since it is classed as parody...like comedians do as an example) right up until day of release, up to that point no beta level was deleted, they demod IP theme levels at gameshows, and even there official website was promoting a level they had in fact moderated.

 

 Kasz216 is presenting an argument about limitation on abilties and tools to create with, which Dryden is replying to.

 

I'm not overlooking those posts, they just have nothing to do with the subject I highlight flaws with.

 

So, ok, let me get this right.  You're upset that MM deleted the MGS levels that were on there already?  Might it be because they made the game look bad(MGS and LBP for that matter)?  The MGS levels already created were poor quality, and very short. 

Regardless of how bad I think those user created levels were, is that why you're upset? 



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Kasz216 said:

Funny cause it was sold as a "Make your own platform game."

Regardless of what you see it as.  That's not what it was sold as.

It was advertised as a "Create a Platformer" game... it's clear as day from all of the ingame stuff, dev interviews and other videos they posted before the game was released.

Your the one who's opinions have changed since then.

The tags were "imagine being limited only by your imagination"

Not "Hey it's like a lego platformer!"

Heck we didn't even know levels came with the game till months after it's announcement.  People thought it was going to be ALL created content at first.

 

The reason I disagree with this is because I was never once under the impression you're giving off with this post.  I don't know where I was when the game was first being talked about - I thought I was here - but I never once remember assuming it to be a 'make your own platform game'...and I never once assumed it didn't come with levels of its own.  I never read anything that ever gave me either of these impressions, and never assumed you could literally create any game you wanted to.  I've always been under the assumption that it was already a game that you could merely create levels for.  Maybe I just didn't read into it.....at all.  Because the way you make it sound is like everyone was under this impression and everyone was let down.  Me, nor none of the people I play the game with were ever under these impressions.



Phrancheyez said:
Kasz216 said:

Funny cause it was sold as a "Make your own platform game."

Regardless of what you see it as.  That's not what it was sold as.

It was advertised as a "Create a Platformer" game... it's clear as day from all of the ingame stuff, dev interviews and other videos they posted before the game was released.

Your the one who's opinions have changed since then.

The tags were "imagine being limited only by your imagination"

Not "Hey it's like a lego platformer!"

Heck we didn't even know levels came with the game till months after it's announcement.  People thought it was going to be ALL created content at first.

 

The reason I disagree with this is because I was never once under the impression you're giving off with this post.  I don't know where I was when the game was first being talked about - I thought I was here - but I never once remember assuming it to be a 'make your own platform game'...and I never once assumed it didn't come with levels of its own.  I never read anything that ever gave me either of these impressions, and never assumed you could literally create any game you wanted to.  I've always been under the assumption that it was already a game that you could merely create levels for.  Maybe I just didn't read into it.....at all.  Because the way you make it sound is like everyone was under this impression and everyone was let down.  Me, nor none of the people I play the game with were ever under these impressions.

Nor was I.  I always new that the level creator was a fundamental part of the game, but I was never under the impression that there wouldn't be a healthy single-player experience with quite a few levels already in the game.

 



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akuma587 said:
Phrancheyez said:
Kasz216 said:

Funny cause it was sold as a "Make your own platform game."

Regardless of what you see it as.  That's not what it was sold as.

It was advertised as a "Create a Platformer" game... it's clear as day from all of the ingame stuff, dev interviews and other videos they posted before the game was released.

Your the one who's opinions have changed since then.

The tags were "imagine being limited only by your imagination"

Not "Hey it's like a lego platformer!"

Heck we didn't even know levels came with the game till months after it's announcement.  People thought it was going to be ALL created content at first.

 

The reason I disagree with this is because I was never once under the impression you're giving off with this post.  I don't know where I was when the game was first being talked about - I thought I was here - but I never once remember assuming it to be a 'make your own platform game'...and I never once assumed it didn't come with levels of its own.  I never read anything that ever gave me either of these impressions, and never assumed you could literally create any game you wanted to.  I've always been under the assumption that it was already a game that you could merely create levels for.  Maybe I just didn't read into it.....at all.  Because the way you make it sound is like everyone was under this impression and everyone was let down.  Me, nor none of the people I play the game with were ever under these impressions.

Nor was I.  I always new that the level creator was a fundamental part of the game, but I was never under the impression that there wouldn't be a healthy single-player experience with quite a few levels already in the game.

 

That was a fairly big question often asked before MM mentioned that there would be quite a few levels.  So i'd say you were in the minority there.

 



@Kasz

It's not called the minority when it's a larger percentage of the masses..but ok!



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Phrancheyez said:
@Kasz

It's not called the minority when it's a larger percentage of the masses..but ok!

Yeah... i think that's a bit of revisionist history.

What was the first thing we knew about LBP?

It was a game in which you create your own platformer.

 



Uh it is only six bucks so it is a good value but i was a little disappointed. The two first levels are intros and the next three can be done in like half an hour, but again for six bucks it is a good value. I love the costumes though.



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KylieDog said:
Phrancheyez said:
KylieDog said:
Solid_Raiden said:

What about Dryden's posts? The thing is that you just look over any posts with real merit, skip them and only respond to the ones that don't tackle your argument.
Your right, the blindness of fanboys is amazing, but so is that of the haters.

But no one is going to change your mind when you have your mind set on changing the world on this matter.

 

What Dryden and  Kasz216 are debating has nothing to do with my issues with LBP, which are to do with the moderation of levels so they can sell it to us instead, in a game which promotes creative freedom.  MM outright lied about allowing us to use copyrighted IPs (which is legally allowed since it is classed as parody...like comedians do as an example) right up until day of release, up to that point no beta level was deleted, they demod IP theme levels at gameshows, and even there official website was promoting a level they had in fact moderated.

 

 Kasz216 is presenting an argument about limitation on abilties and tools to create with, which Dryden is replying to.

 

I'm not overlooking those posts, they just have nothing to do with the subject I highlight flaws with.

 

So, ok, let me get this right.  You're upset that MM deleted the MGS levels that were on there already?  Might it be because they made the game look bad(MGS and LBP for that matter)?  The MGS levels already created were poor quality, and very short. 

Regardless of how bad I think those user created levels were, is that why you're upset? 

 

No, when the game was first released, and during the beta, there were some really good ones, the release day came and levels getting deleted all over the place.

 

Since then the only themed levels made are quick crap attempts just made to get plays for trophies, because no one wants to spend 8+ hours making a level just for it to get deleted.

 

Fact is they deleted some really good user made levels, just to sell it to the userbase instead.

You can play levels based off of IPs by the thousands. They have some really increadible levels too, and MGS ones to boot. They haven't deleted any levels based off of IPs in weeks now. But your right, I'm sure it's all a conspiracy to get us to buy the mgs pack. Delete some levels, leave lots of others.

 




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