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Impulsivity said:

     I will admit the average Iphone game isn't great, though, to be fair, most DS games suck PRETTY damn hard too.  After years on the market  ( 1)there are maybe 10 DS games worth a damn and (2) so much shovelware that you could spend a year with a tractor working through it and still not be done. Nintendo and Sony (3)toss crap into their console (4)(that is barely functional outside just basic game playing in Nintendo's case) and ask (5)for 30-40 dollars PER GAME.

    Its a little hidden add on to what people were already buying.  (6)There are far more ipods and iphones in the wild then DSes, and sooner or later the older ipods are turning into newer iphones or ipod touches.  

    Another big bonus for ipod gaming is free gameplay.  I have a number of games like blackjack that are totally free with limited advertising.  That means developers get paid, I get to play for free and everyone wins. (7)That kind of free advertisement model would be absolutely impossible with traditional gaming systems particularly the DS.  

   There are a hell of a lot more (8)middle aged not yet gamers then there are teenagers who love core games (and unlike very expensive cartridges+retail boxes+manuals iphone games are almost pure profit).

   That is right, the ipod family has (9)better graphics capability then either of the dedicated handhelds (especially the rather pathetic DS processor which is under 100 mhz).  With a little experience you can bet the event games will look better then anything the DS OR the PSP has to offer.  For example one see 

1. What you mean is that there are only 10 games that you have an interest in, that you personally see some value in and would be willing to purchase. The DS has more than 10 high quality games. I could list a large number but that would likely fall on deaf ears.
2. All consoles have some shovelware. Some more than others yes, but to single out the DS is rather ignorant in my opnion as the ipod touch/iphone have thier fair share of shovelware too.
3. Would you care to offer some examples to clarify this statement. I do not know of any 'crap' on the DS & PSP. Maybe Skype on the PSP is a gimmick prehaps and that is what you are reffering to.
4. Nintendo has never gone 'all out' for non-gaming functionality. They have always had a stance of games consoles is for gaming. That may have changed somewhat Wii & DSi but not to a large degree and in any case the DSi is now capable of non-gaming functions rendering this point somehwat redundant, woudln't you say?
5. Games have always retailed at this price point. If you look at software sales of the DS (454.63 million as of sep 30 according to Nintendo) and Wii (229.85 million as of sep 30) you will see that this particular price point is not having a detrimental effect on the volume of software sales.
6. This is just an outright lie. The iphone has reached some 13 million in sales (source). The only concrete number I can find for ipod's is 150 million (that could be a year out of date though) a number which accounts for the entire ipod line since their introduction. If we assume the ipod touch acounts for 25% (which is extremely unlikely) of ipod sales overall and assume sales of the entire ipod line at 200 million (again very very generous) that figure that is still only 50 million. That is being very generous indeed. So that's 63 million for the ipod touch/iphone which is as near as makes no difference 30 million behind the DS. DS sales are likely to remain ahead of the iphone/ipod touch combined for some time thanks to DSi launch next year not to mention Nintendo still has massive scope for cutting the price which could give a massive boost as well.
7. This model could change in the future. It is not set in stone.
8. Nintendo has already done a good job of attracting this demographic to the DS & Wii. The casual appeal of the DS is stronger than that of the ipod/iphone.
9.The DS (& Wii) have already shown that graphical prowess are not important factors. They can make a game better but as the NES has shown you don't need power for fun, and fun trumps fast processors anyday.



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I'll stay with Ninty's handheld as long as i can play their games. :)



The DSi also has an app store of its own. It maybe more limited and lacking the variety of the iphone/ipod touch but that will change within the next couple of years.



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Man, I really want a DS.



This guy is in his own world. I've never seen someone so out in left field. With over 500 posts, you'd think he would have learned a bit more from this site.




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You do realise that the guy got a 1 month ban for the first post in this thread.

There's not really any point continuing to pick apart his argument



Banned his ass!

*sits in large chair, stroking Mr. Bigglesworth*

Well, impulsivity......it would seem you showed a bit too much.....

*places pinky on corner of mouth*

......IMPULSIVITY when making this thread. Mwhaaa haaa ha ha ha!



Impulsivity said:

   I think that without a doubt Apple will become the mass market gaming king with the iphone/ipod touch/whatever replaces both of them.  Ironically Apple out casualed Nintendo, the current casual king.

   I will admit the average Iphone game isn't great, though, to be fair, most DS games suck PRETTY damn hard too.  After years on the market there are maybe 10 DS games worth a damn and so much shovelware that you could spend a year with a tractor working through it and still not be done.  That goes more or less for the PSP as well.  Nintendo and Sony toss crap into their console (that is barely functional outside just basic game playing in Nintendo's case) and ask for 30-40 dollars PER GAME.

    That 30-40 dollar point is the key to why the DS and PSP will both fall to the ipod touch.  The average game price on the ipod?  5-10 dollars.  Even big event games never go above 20 bucks.  That means its not just gamer kids and their parents who will shell out the money, but the parents might pick up a game or two as well.  If its a 5 dollar Sodoku game or a 4 dollar Texas Holdem game suddenly you have a HUGE market of people who would never in their life buy a 40 dollar game for the DS.

   That there are already event games like Metal Gear Solid Touch headed for the iphone only furthers the claim that it has a serious future in gaming.  Its a little hidden add on to what people were already buying.  There are far more ipods and iphones in the wild then DSes, and sooner or later the older ipods are turning into newer iphones or ipod touches.  

   Another big bonus for ipod gaming is free gameplay.  I have a number of games like blackjack that are totally free with limited advertising.  That means developers get paid, I get to play for free and everyone wins.  That kind of free advertisement model would be absolutely impossible with traditional gaming systems particularly the DS.  

   Complain all you want about no buttons and low quality, but if the Wii shows anything its that limited buttons and low quality do NOT hurt casual appeal.  The iphone isn't about winning over the hardcore halo gamers, its in getting your mom to download a crossword puzzle game on her iphone and play it while waiting at the doctors office.  There are a hell of a lot more middle aged not yet gamers then there are teenagers who love core games (and unlike very expensive cartridges+retail boxes+manuals iphone games are almost pure profit).

   Ironically, the iphone and especially the marginally more powerful ipod touch are better equiped for gaming then either the DS or the PSP.  That is right, the ipod family has better graphics capability then either of the dedicated handhelds (especially the rather pathetic DS processor which is under 100 mhz).  With a little experience you can bet the event games will look better then anything the DS OR the PSP has to offer.  For example one see 

http://wireless.ign.com/dor/objects/14306701/metal-gear-solid/images/metal-gear-solid-touch-screens-20081217090508848.html

 

And there is the barrier that no one will read past. At least not me.



Some Analysts can say whatever they want, they will have a reality check later on. Apple products are not gaming machines ! And Ninty will continue to rule the handheld market, even thou PSP is a really good product.



Id' rather buy iPod Nano/Shuffle, DS and a phone then iPhone. Or just iPod and DS over iPod Touch thingy.



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