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Ender on 15 December 2008
megaman2 said:
Ender said:
megaman2 said:
mrstickball said:
Why are people claiming the X360 has reached it's peak? That kind of argument reeks of Playstation 3 fanboyism.

Look at 09/10 games: Star Ocean 4, Resident Evil 5, Alan Wake, Halo Wars, ect. Don't they look better than Infinite Undiscovery, Dead Rising, and Command & Conquer 3?

There will be diminishing returns, but I think that if the system is easier to program for, that doesn't mean that developers are going to max it out in half the time. Some may be confusing 'easier developing' for 'easier to max out'. Look at the Gamecube - it was VERY easy to develop for...Did that mean that it maxed out in 2 years? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Twilight Princess looked like a step up in what the GC was able to handle, and it came out ~5 years into the GC's lifecycle.

Just stating simple facts MRstickball and no need for the playstation 3 fanboyism or else i will have to call out the troops lol keep it clean!

 

 

What facts have you stated?  Given the history of consoles I it's silly to think the 360's potential has been maxed out.  Honestly, your OP just looked like PS3 fanboy flamebait.

You're such a child if we were to compare graphical powerhouses of the ps3. Games such as Uncharted, Metal gear solid 4 and games such as Killzone 2 which critics have cites as the best looking console game ever, along with gt5, infamous, heavy rain and God of war 3 all set to take huge leaps in terms of graphics. My thread's purpose was to have a general discussion not  create flamebait but you're too inmature to understand so let's leave at that!

 

 

Haha, you're right, no PS3 fanboy flamebaiting there.



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megaman2 on 15 December 2008
mrstickball said:
megaman2 said:

Just stating simple facts MRstickball and no need for the playstation 3 fanboyism or else i will have to call out the troops lol keep it clean!

 

Question:

Why is a person that does NOT own a Xbox 360, or ever post in the Xbox 360 forum asking this question?

You don't care about the X360's lineup.

You don't care about what the X360 offers.

You own a Playstation 3.

So why are you arguing this? Because you want to believe the X360 has peaked, and that your Playstation 3 has not? Your the one that came in here arguing that KZ2, GT5, Heavy Rain, and others were going to 'raise the bar' and failed to mention anything about the X360 because *gasp*  you don't own a 360!

Why is it, again, that you came here? To stir up trouble for a system you don't own? Why not ask Wii owners the same question? Their console is easy to develop for, and just as valid of a question. Why not ask Playstation 3 owners the question, rather than come here and stir up trouble? I'm looking at your post history, and 85% of the manufacturer postings are in Sony forums.

 

Q1 -  First of all i plan to buy a xbox 360 when the time is right my friend, and this thread was made to create a sensible discussion.

Q2 - Im admiring the xbox 360 line up from a distance I have much respect for huge library of the 360.

Q3 - i certainly do care about what the xbox 360 has to offer now and in the future.

Q4 - Yes, I own arguably the best console known to man but one day it will be ps360wii.

I am the editor in chief of the Sony forums that would explain the 85% of the manufacured posts, but I am always fair and balanced when creating my threads.

 



Passenger57 on 15 December 2008

Nah, there are parts in Gears 2 that look like your watching pure CG, without slowdown. Its just going to get better for both systems. I don't expect any true separation between the 2 beyond the point of caring.




 

TKC-Muzzer on 15 December 2008

There is no Fanboy needs here people. As i said i have a 360 but admit that nothing on it competes with Killzone 2 graphically. It's something i except and others should to, it's good that there are games producing this sort of quality no matter what system their on.



Retrasado on 15 December 2008
BenVTrigger said:

 

have you not seen the star ocean pics? they aren't revolutionary but they are certainly better than RPG's of last year. Mr. Stickball is exactly right. Sure the return or level of jump we see in improvement may decrease sayin the system is maxed...is well completely off base and 100 percent guaranteed incorrect. as someon else said given the time and money the ng4 still hasn't even been maxed out

You are correct that neither system is very close to being maxed out, but I personally think that because the PS3 has more than kept pace with the 360 graphically despite launching a year later and having a much, MUCH more difficult programming architecture, it's peak will be higher than the 360s. It's more complex hardware also means it will reach 90-95% capacity much later in its lifetime than the 360 has/will (I don't think 360 has reached that point yet, but its possible). When I look at the jump from R1 to Uncharted to MGS4 to KZ2 and now to Uncharted 2 vs the jump from CoD2 to Gears 1 to Gears 2 to SO4, it seems to me that the PS3 still has a ways to go wheras the 360 is beginning to reach or has reached the "plateau" of 90-95% capacity.  (the jump between the game generations hasn't lessened as much with the PS3 list has it has toward the end of the 360's list)

Note: My reasoning could be off somewhere, but I'm just throwing this off the top of my head

 



Not trying to be a fanboy. Of course, it's hard when you own the best console eve... dang it

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mrstickball on 15 December 2008
megaman2 said:

You're such a child if we were to compare graphical powerhouses of the ps3. Games such as Uncharted, Metal gear solid 4 and games such as Killzone 2 which critics have cites as the best looking console game ever, along with gt5, infamous, heavy rain and God of war 3 all set to take huge leaps in terms of graphics. My thread's purpose was to have a general discussion not  create flamebait but you're too inmature to understand so let's leave at that!

 

Pot calling the kettle black. You aren't a X360 owner, so you wouldn't know what X360 are upcoming that are going to be 'the best looking console game ever'.

BTW:

From IGN (Gears of War 2):

9.5 Graphics
Fantastic looking characters inhabit splendid worlds that feel truly alive. You'd be hard pressed to find a better looking game anywhere.

See what I can do?

 



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Ender on 15 December 2008
TKC-Muzzer said:
There is no Fanboy needs here people. As i said i have a 360 but admit that nothing on it competes with Killzone 2 graphically. It's something i except and others should to, it's good that there are games producing this sort of quality no matter what system their on.

 

I agree, in the screens I've seen KZ2 look better. But you know what?   It's not surprising a game released (hopefully) 4 mos later will be superior looking.   I think it's funny a game that hasn't even been release yet is being usedas an example.  Why not use R2?

 



SHMUPGurus on 15 December 2008
Ender said:
TKC-Muzzer said:
There is no Fanboy needs here people. As i said i have a 360 but admit that nothing on it competes with Killzone 2 graphically. It's something i except and others should to, it's good that there are games producing this sort of quality no matter what system their on.

I agree, in the screens I've seen KZ2 look better. But you know what?   It's not surprising a game released (hopefully) 4 mos later will be superior looking.   I think it's funny a game that hasn't even been release yet is being usedas an example.  Why not use R2?

Damn, if only everyone could see the light like you. :(



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Zombl337 on 15 December 2008

Gears 2 visuals are much better than MGS4, how can you disagree. Also, have you seen games like Warhound, & Alan Wake for 360?! They look like they were developed for high end PCs!



PREDICTIONS:
360 will outsell PS3 YTD for 2008. (CHECK!)
360 will have the best showing at E3 & TGS in 2009
2009 will be another year for the 360 over PS3
End OF 2009 SALES :: 360 - 40M;  PS3 - 30M; Wii - 70M

Grahamhsu on 15 December 2008
TKC-Muzzer said:
d21lewis said:
How long did it take to make Gears 2? Half as long as it's taking to make Killzone 2? Given time and resources, the N64 probably hasn't reached it's full potential. No. I don't design games, but history has shown me that there's ALWAYS more power to be squeezed out of a console.

On an unrelated note, there's ALWAYS more toothpaste to be squeezed from a tube of toothpaste. My cousin's brother once squeezed enough toothpaste out of a toothpaste tube to fill a bathtub. True story! :P

 

There is some logic there but look at this way. Gears 2 has also taken 4 years to make as they are bulding on the first. So both Killzone 2 and Gears 2 are four years in the making so your point is not valid. Gears 1 was a step in making Gears 2.

TKC-Muzzer I don't believe you can put it in that view...that would mean Killzone 2 took over 4 years if you add in Killzone 1. Or that Diablo 3 took a decade. Yes Gears 1 was a step in making Gears 2 but so was building the Unreal Engine in the first place, which would make development of Gears even farther back with your logic. There's is some logic in your idea but d21lewis's logic is more sound to me. At the same time I understand what you're saying but such an elastic view simply will not fly because of problems listed above. If you were to go more into depth about costs of the Unreal Engine, time to create the engine, time to create Gears 1 or 2, and than compare it to time taken for Killzone engine and etc than you'd make a much better argument.

@D21 Now for the real question! Why was your cousin's brother squeezing toothpaste to fill a bathtub, who's bathtub was this? Do you let this guy even near your bathtub after such an incident? (I sure as hell wouldn't!)

 




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