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bigjon on 15 December 2008

Yea used GTA4 are a dime a dozen. The only Wii games I see alot used are MP3 (not much replay value, 1 or 2 playthoughs is all you need) and Red Steel (Sold over a million and is weaker game)

Zelda:TP is fairly common too.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

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llewdebkram on 15 December 2008
Esa-Petteri said:
How am I not surprised that the OP owns only a wii.. oh well. :)

 

We have Xbox 360s x 2 as well and whilst my son plays disk based games I only use mine for the arcade and to play DVDs.

After 4 RROD I really couldn't be bothered with it

P.S Never see any COD4s either but there was some COD:WAW if you also want to argue about that :0P



Phrancheyez on 15 December 2008
BTFeather55 said:

        Yeah, but see, I can take your first paragraph and do this with it and be just as accurate:

Fixed:  The Legend of Zelda:  Ocarina of Time or The Legend of Zelda:  Majora's Mask or The Legend of Zelda:  The Wind Waker, or The Legend of Zelda:  Twilight Princess or Mario Kart Wii, Metroid Prime 3 or Super Smash Brothers Whatever) did nothing for gaming- it took the same game that we've seen many times, put it in a new world with better graphics and a better control scheme, but made it less fun than any Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid Prime, or Super Smash Brothers  game in the past few years. 

     The story, soundtrack, gameplay in GTA IV are far from average.  I've already talked about the soundtrack.  Smashing Pumpkins in their prime, The Sisters of Mercy, many more.  Soundracks don't get better than that.

 

     Your third paragraph fixed:

    
Most games like (Wii Play, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Animal Crossing:  City People, Mario Kart Wii in particular just a kart racer with cartoon characters) that focus of on what they do usually are far from perfect, they are very SIMPLE. But that's okay, because it's what tons of people want, a really simple game that they can enjoy for a few minutes a day and then turn it off, like Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii), etc.

 

 Such a cinematic masterpiece as GTA IV dealing with real issues effecting a real subgroup in our society and solutions to problems which might not be the most legal or ethical ways to go about trying to make your life as good as it can possibly be in a country where billion dollar bailouts go to billionaire companies while the poor gets jack and we may actually be headed back to the days of Dillinger and Capone as result really gets the shape that the Liberty City or Liberty Nation that America has become at this point in our history is in and it is a very accurate portrayal of our times. Sadly enough .  One can be thankful though that in our time video game critics much to the chagrin of fanboys across th entire spectrum of gaming have got this one thing right that GTA IV was at its release  and has remained the very best game of 2008.

 

     Mass popularity usually results in idiotic comments   like Wii Fit should be Game of the Year because it has sold so many copies as a result of endorsements from the likes of Ellen Degeneris and CBS News promoting it for use by seniors that have a hard time exercising in other ways.

     GTA IV definitely deserved to be Game of the Year in 2009.  But some argument can be made that MGS 4 deseved more than runner-up status and it should have been a tie. 

 

http://www.alternativetentacles.com/page.php?page=jello_openletter

 

Why are you so pro-GTAIV?  Are they paying you?  The mass - not general - the mass consensus is the game sucks.  I think the game sucks, 85% of the people in this thread think the game was either average or sucked.  Your first paragraph makes absolutely no sense as a rebuttle, because all of those games (except that horrible wannabe metroid) actually improved on the previous games.  GTAIV, while I give them kudos for trying, took a step back.  Rockstar actually made the game worse.  Just because they have 2 artists that you like doesn't make the games soundtrack amazing.  

It doesn't matter if the game has anything to do with current events or if you think that's what our world is beginning to reflect.  That doesn't fix the millions who bought the game and cried bloody murder because it sucked.  It doesn't fix all of them trading their games in and having more copies of GTAIV on the shelves than any whole genre for any current system out, or all games of a single genre for all systems out combined. Go check your gamestop and count how many FPS games are out and how many copies there are in total, it won't add up to 44.  And that's just used copies.  You defending this game makes you look worse every time you post.  We get that you like it, but you're on a skiff cast away from the cruise-liner that is VGChartz.  No one here is going to read your post and be like 'Oh, you know, maybe hes right.  All that time I spent frustrated over this game and cursing, wanting so badly to throw my controller at the screen every time I saw something they messed up, that was all my imagination.'  All GTAIV is and will ever be is a good whore - it doesn't matter how good it REALLY was in the bedroom, because it looked good and still made it's money.  And unfortunately, Rockstar is going to say 'Oh shit, our game sold millions, everyone loves what we did with it!' and fuck up another sequel.

GTA was and always has been a first-day buy for me.  I've owned every previous game and beaten almost all of them at least twice.  After GTAIV, I'm done with that franchise.  No more first day buys, I won't even rent the game.  They'll either come out with a demo to try and convince me that this was a fluke, or I'll see it when someone I know has it.  Otherwise, unless they start selling it for $30 or less, I'll probably never own another.  And that's sad considering I've been on the GTA bandwagon since the beginning.



Bitmap Frogs on 15 December 2008
Phrancheyez said:

Why are you so pro-GTAIV?  Are they paying you?  The mass - not general - the mass consensus is the game sucks.  I think the game sucks, 85% of the people in this thread think the game was either average or sucked.  Your first paragraph makes absolutely no sense as a rebuttle, because all of those games (except that horrible wannabe metroid) actually improved on the previous games.  GTAIV, while I give them kudos for trying, took a step back.  Rockstar actually made the game worse.  Just because they have 2 artists that you like doesn't make the games soundtrack amazing.  

 

Woah woah hold on there. The mass consensus is that the game did not deserve the chain of perfect scores it landed from most reviewers. You are just extrapolating your own opinions. I browse a few gaming forums (although I only actively post here) and there is no consensus at all on the game sucking, just on it not deserving its current agregate score on metacritic/gamerankings.





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BTFeather55 on 15 December 2008
KylieDog said:
I can't believe some people going out of there way to defend GTA IV.


If it is so great there wouldn't be a crapload of second hand copies -everywhere-.

 

      It's because a lot of people go out of their way to attack it since it isn't on Wii or called Gears.  I still can't get over the average soundtrack remark.  It has Ace Frehley singing Back in The New York Groove for Kiss's sake. 

     Well, they were all returned by people that are going to have to go and buy back the copies that they returned in January, so what does that tell you?

 

 

 



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BTFeather55 on 15 December 2008
Phrancheyez said:
BTFeather55 said:

        Yeah, but see, I can take your first paragraph and do this with it and be just as accurate:

Fixed:  The Legend of Zelda:  Ocarina of Time or The Legend of Zelda:  Majora's Mask or The Legend of Zelda:  The Wind Waker, or The Legend of Zelda:  Twilight Princess or Mario Kart Wii, Metroid Prime 3 or Super Smash Brothers Whatever) did nothing for gaming- it took the same game that we've seen many times, put it in a new world with better graphics and a better control scheme, but made it less fun than any Zelda, Mario Kart, Metroid Prime, or Super Smash Brothers  game in the past few years. 

     The story, soundtrack, gameplay in GTA IV are far from average.  I've already talked about the soundtrack.  Smashing Pumpkins in their prime, The Sisters of Mercy, many more.  Soundracks don't get better than that.

 

     Your third paragraph fixed:

    
Most games like (Wii Play, Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Animal Crossing:  City People, Mario Kart Wii in particular just a kart racer with cartoon characters) that focus of on what they do usually are far from perfect, they are very SIMPLE. But that's okay, because it's what tons of people want, a really simple game that they can enjoy for a few minutes a day and then turn it off, like Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii), etc.

 

 Such a cinematic masterpiece as GTA IV dealing with real issues effecting a real subgroup in our society and solutions to problems which might not be the most legal or ethical ways to go about trying to make your life as good as it can possibly be in a country where billion dollar bailouts go to billionaire companies while the poor gets jack and we may actually be headed back to the days of Dillinger and Capone as result really gets the shape that the Liberty City or Liberty Nation that America has become at this point in our history is in and it is a very accurate portrayal of our times. Sadly enough .  One can be thankful though that in our time video game critics much to the chagrin of fanboys across th entire spectrum of gaming have got this one thing right that GTA IV was at its release  and has remained the very best game of 2008.

 

     Mass popularity usually results in idiotic comments   like Wii Fit should be Game of the Year because it has sold so many copies as a result of endorsements from the likes of Ellen Degeneris and CBS News promoting it for use by seniors that have a hard time exercising in other ways.

     GTA IV definitely deserved to be Game of the Year in 2009.  But some argument can be made that MGS 4 deseved more than runner-up status and it should have been a tie. 

 

http://www.alternativetentacles.com/page.php?page=jello_openletter

 

Why are you so pro-GTAIV?  Are they paying you?  The mass - not general - the mass consensus is the game sucks.  I think the game sucks, 85% of the people in this thread think the game was either average or sucked.  Your first paragraph makes absolutely no sense as a rebuttle, because all of those games (except that horrible wannabe metroid) actually improved on the previous games.  GTAIV, while I give them kudos for trying, took a step back.  Rockstar actually made the game worse.  Just because they have 2 artists that you like doesn't make the games soundtrack amazing.  

It doesn't matter if the game has anything to do with current events or if you think that's what our world is beginning to reflect.  That doesn't fix the millions who bought the game and cried bloody murder because it sucked.  It doesn't fix all of them trading their games in and having more copies of GTAIV on the shelves than any whole genre for any current system out, or all games of a single genre for all systems out combined. Go check your gamestop and count how many FPS games are out and how many copies there are in total, it won't add up to 44.  And that's just used copies.  You defending this game makes you look worse every time you post.  We get that you like it, but you're on a skiff cast away from the cruise-liner that is VGChartz.  No one here is going to read your post and be like 'Oh, you know, maybe hes right.  All that time I spent frustrated over this game and cursing, wanting so badly to throw my controller at the screen every time I saw something they messed up, that was all my imagination.'  All GTAIV is and will ever be is a good whore - it doesn't matter how good it REALLY was in the bedroom, because it looked good and still made it's money.  And unfortunately, Rockstar is going to say 'Oh shit, our game sold millions, everyone loves what we did with it!' and fuck up another sequel.

GTA was and always has been a first-day buy for me.  I've owned every previous game and beaten almost all of them at least twice.  After GTAIV, I'm done with that franchise.  No more first day buys, I won't even rent the game.  They'll either come out with a demo to try and convince me that this was a fluke, or I'll see it when someone I know has it.  Otherwise, unless they start selling it for $30 or less, I'll probably never own another.  And that's sad considering I've been on the GTA bandwagon since the beginning.

     As I said before the only people attacking it are people that originally started attacking it because it was considered to be better on the PS3 than on the 360, because it wasn't possible on the Wii, and because it got better reviews than 360 games that it is without question better than including Bioshock, Call of Duty 4, Gears of War, and Halo.  You say you've played previous installments of the series and enjoyed them.  I think you probably belong to another group of GTA IV haters.  You probably fall into the group that thinks it has a bad soundtrack because there is much more than rap there and you much preferred the fact that San Andreas had African Americans as its stars and you probably wanted more of the same in IV.  Sorry that didn't pan out.  I am much happier that they went with Eastern Europeans in IV as I have an Eastern European backgroud.

 



Heavens to Murgatoids.

Thechalkblock on 16 December 2008

My friend told me GTA4 took away what everyone loved about the others, so I am staying away from it.



KichiVerde on 16 December 2008

Grrr. Again we go with the GTA 4 bashing.

Not to worry. Rockstar will redeem themselves with their next GTA game, whenever that comes out.

For now just make due with the one that is out.





TheBigFatJ on 16 December 2008
Thechalkblock said:
My friend told me GTA4 took away what everyone loved about the others, so I am staying away from it.

It's pretty poor. Get Saints Row 2 -- it's a far better game.  I'd give Saints Row 2 a 8/10.

 

 



BTFeather55 on 16 December 2008
TheBigFatJ said:
Thechalkblock said:
My friend told me GTA4 took away what everyone loved about the others, so I am staying away from it.

It's pretty poor. Get Saints Row 2 -- it's a far better game.  I'd give Saints Row 2 a 8/10.

 

 

 

      Saint's Row 2 is for newbs and people that think that The Crackdown is up there with Gears in quality.  I'd rather have a 10 out of 10 like GTA IV or MGS 4.



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