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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 December 2008
kanariya said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
masterb8tr said:
anyone who thinks download or streaming will be main stream anytime soon, needs to see a shrink.

 

That is the future as soon as transactions are made completely digital (Which it will be in the future).

 

It will be the future but not anytime soon to be mainstream.

Most of the people do not have fast enough connection.

Many ISPs out there have bandwidth cap.

Stream media will not reach BD quality any time soon.

People still prefer physically own the media as of now.

 

Hate to burst ur bubble but i'll be willing to bet that technology exists. On CNN they were experimenting with live holograms during the elections. Financial transactions will no longer need cash within the next 5 years. Ever heard of the Veri Chip?...if chip goes mainstream credit cards will be obsolete.

Blu Ray is not the future. It's redundant. File sharing is the next gen. We've used DVD's and Blu Ray discs as a pathway to bring downloading into the mainstream.



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Bboid on 15 December 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kanariya said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
masterb8tr said:
anyone who thinks download or streaming will be main stream anytime soon, needs to see a shrink.

 

That is the future as soon as transactions are made completely digital (Which it will be in the future).

 

It will be the future but not anytime soon to be mainstream.

Most of the people do not have fast enough connection.

Many ISPs out there have bandwidth cap.

Stream media will not reach BD quality any time soon.

People still prefer physically own the media as of now.

 

Hate to burst ur bubble but i'll be willing to bet that technology exists. On CNN they were experimenting with live holograms during the elections. Financial transactions will no longer need cash within the next 5 years. Ever heard of the Veri Chip?...if chip goes mainstream credit cards will be obsolete.

Blu Ray is not the future. It's redundant. File sharing is the next gen. We've used DVD's and Blu Ray discs as a pathway to bring downloading into the mainstream.

 

 

Failing/lack of expanding broadband infrastructures, bandwidth caps (albeit some are already high enough), and broadband costs are a large force holding back digital distribution.  I think a hard medium will almost always exist but blu-ray will be the last disc format.  Flash memory is the future.  Digital distribution will almost always be available and continue expansion but it will never 100% replace a solid medium.

 

 



frybread on 15 December 2008

 I remember going to a friend's birthday party in middle school, the feature attraction was Jurassic Park on LaserDisc.  We were all blown away by the quality.

 "Niche" doesn't mean failure by any means, and it doesn't mean stay away from Blu Ray.  If you love movies, if you love video quality, if you love audio quality - there's no question, get blu-ray.  If it were the 80's I'd tell you to get LaserDisc.

 

Check out the Laserdisc comparisons to VHS:

 

 

While Blu Ray may never outsell DVD in a single year, doesn't mean it's no good.  I agree that it will be a rather large niche.

 



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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 December 2008
Bboid said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kanariya said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
masterb8tr said:
anyone who thinks download or streaming will be main stream anytime soon, needs to see a shrink.

 

That is the future as soon as transactions are made completely digital (Which it will be in the future).

 

It will be the future but not anytime soon to be mainstream.

Most of the people do not have fast enough connection.

Many ISPs out there have bandwidth cap.

Stream media will not reach BD quality any time soon.

People still prefer physically own the media as of now.

 

Hate to burst ur bubble but i'll be willing to bet that technology exists. On CNN they were experimenting with live holograms during the elections. Financial transactions will no longer need cash within the next 5 years. Ever heard of the Veri Chip?...if chip goes mainstream credit cards will be obsolete.

Blu Ray is not the future. It's redundant. File sharing is the next gen. We've used DVD's and Blu Ray discs as a pathway to bring downloading into the mainstream.

 

 

Failing/lack of expanding broadband infrastructures, bandwidth caps (albeit some are already high enough), and broadband costs are a large force holding back digital distribution.  I think a hard medium will almost always exist but blu-ray will be the last disc format.  Flash memory is the future.  Digital distribution will almost always be available and continue expansion but it will never 100% replace a solid medium.

 

 

Hard mediums will eventually phase out as more potent computers are created with built in memory. We're already doing it now when we create PC's from scratch.

 



Bboid on 15 December 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bboid said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kanariya said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
masterb8tr said:
anyone who thinks download or streaming will be main stream anytime soon, needs to see a shrink.

 

That is the future as soon as transactions are made completely digital (Which it will be in the future).

 

It will be the future but not anytime soon to be mainstream.

Most of the people do not have fast enough connection.

Many ISPs out there have bandwidth cap.

Stream media will not reach BD quality any time soon.

People still prefer physically own the media as of now.

 

Hate to burst ur bubble but i'll be willing to bet that technology exists. On CNN they were experimenting with live holograms during the elections. Financial transactions will no longer need cash within the next 5 years. Ever heard of the Veri Chip?...if chip goes mainstream credit cards will be obsolete.

Blu Ray is not the future. It's redundant. File sharing is the next gen. We've used DVD's and Blu Ray discs as a pathway to bring downloading into the mainstream.

 

 

Failing/lack of expanding broadband infrastructures, bandwidth caps (albeit some are already high enough), and broadband costs are a large force holding back digital distribution.  I think a hard medium will almost always exist but blu-ray will be the last disc format.  Flash memory is the future.  Digital distribution will almost always be available and continue expansion but it will never 100% replace a solid medium.

 

 

Hard mediums will eventually phase out as more potent computers are created with built in memory. We're already doing it now when we create PC's from scratch.

 

please reread bolded words.  Do you not understand these products are marketed to the entire world?  Broadband is far from being sufficient enough to support mass Digital Distribution in the most civilized countries in the world alone. Arguing digital distribution will take 100% market share is just as absurd as Blu-ray completely phasing out the DVD.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 15 December 2008
Bboid said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Bboid said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kanariya said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
masterb8tr said:
anyone who thinks download or streaming will be main stream anytime soon, needs to see a shrink.

 

That is the future as soon as transactions are made completely digital (Which it will be in the future).

 

It will be the future but not anytime soon to be mainstream.

Most of the people do not have fast enough connection.

Many ISPs out there have bandwidth cap.

Stream media will not reach BD quality any time soon.

People still prefer physically own the media as of now.

 

Hate to burst ur bubble but i'll be willing to bet that technology exists. On CNN they were experimenting with live holograms during the elections. Financial transactions will no longer need cash within the next 5 years. Ever heard of the Veri Chip?...if chip goes mainstream credit cards will be obsolete.

Blu Ray is not the future. It's redundant. File sharing is the next gen. We've used DVD's and Blu Ray discs as a pathway to bring downloading into the mainstream.

 

 

Failing/lack of expanding broadband infrastructures, bandwidth caps (albeit some are already high enough), and broadband costs are a large force holding back digital distribution.  I think a hard medium will almost always exist but blu-ray will be the last disc format.  Flash memory is the future.  Digital distribution will almost always be available and continue expansion but it will never 100% replace a solid medium.

 

 

Hard mediums will eventually phase out as more potent computers are created with built in memory. We're already doing it now when we create PC's from scratch.

 

please reread bolded words.  Do you not understand these products are marketed to the entire world?  Broadband is far from being sufficient enough to support mass Digital Distribution in the most civilized countries in the world alone. Arguing digital distribution will take 100% market share is just as absurd as Blu-ray completely phasing out the DVD.

 

LOL I understand you just fine. I also understand that the world is moving in one direction very quickly. You'll see what I mean in the coming years.



crumas2 on 16 December 2008
MikeB said:
Comparing the amount of shelf space dedicated to Blu-Ray disc at our local Media Markt store to last year (not counting PS3 games of course), it's now 10 times bigger than that of Blu-Ray and HD DVD shelf space combined last year.

Retail adoption is happening fast, as SDTVs only last so long I think eventually a vast majority of people in developed countries will own HDTVs in the coming years. Those who have seen a good Blu-Ray movie on a good HDTV are usually amazed by the difference in visual quality.

The amount of shelf space dedicated to Blu-ray now compared to this time last year depends on where you are.  At our Best Buys here in Ohio it's about 3 times what it was last year.  At FYE it's about the same to 2x, depending on the store.

At least Walmart is dipping its feet into the waters and carrying a few titles, compared to last year when they had just about zero.

The format is definitely doing better than last year, but there are so many titles I want that haven't come out yet, with many that haven't been announced for the format.  For example, I want Lord of the Rings, the first 3 Indiana Jones movies, Close Encounters, and my number 1 favorite of all time, The Princess Bride.  But according to Amazon, The Princess Bride on Blu-ray has been cancelled by the manufacturer.  I certainly hope the studio changes its mind because I'm going to be buying a Blu-ray player in the next week or so.

And, again... they need to get the movie prices down.  $25-35 for a single movie just doesn't cut it.  I did that with 90 laserdisc movies, and I'm not getting taken to the cleaners like that again.

 



Bboid on 16 December 2008
crumas2 said:
MikeB said:
Comparing the amount of shelf space dedicated to Blu-Ray disc at our local Media Markt store to last year (not counting PS3 games of course), it's now 10 times bigger than that of Blu-Ray and HD DVD shelf space combined last year.

Retail adoption is happening fast, as SDTVs only last so long I think eventually a vast majority of people in developed countries will own HDTVs in the coming years. Those who have seen a good Blu-Ray movie on a good HDTV are usually amazed by the difference in visual quality.

The amount of shelf space dedicated to Blu-ray now compared to this time last year depends on where you are.  At our Best Buys here in Ohio it's about 3 times what it was last year.  At FYE it's about the same to 2x, depending on the store.

At least Walmart is dipping its feet into the waters and carrying a few titles, compared to last year when they had just about zero.

The format is definitely doing better than last year, but there are so many titles I want that haven't come out yet, with many that haven't been announced for the format.  For example, I want Lord of the Rings, the first 3 Indiana Jones movies, Close Encounters, and my number 1 favorite of all time, The Princess Bride.  But according to Amazon, The Princess Bride on Blu-ray has been cancelled by the manufacturer.  I certainly hope the studio changes its mind because I'm going to be buying a Blu-ray player in the next week or so.

And, again... they need to get the movie prices down.  $25-35 for a single movie just doesn't cut it.  I did that with 90 laserdisc movies, and I'm not getting taken to the cleaners like that again.

 

 

 

My walmart has a 4 sided cube(3 sides movies 1 side the sale player) in the aisle of bluray, 1 end display of new release bluray and in the normal aisle 8 feet of blu ray movies and 8 feet of blu-ray players.  They actually carry more blu-ray players than dvd now (which is strange and stupid to me) but their redesigned electronics dept focuses on HD entertainment.

On a side note since you also find issue with price, check Amazon.  If theres a specific movie you want to buy, find it on amazon, bookmark it, and check 2x a day and it will probably fall close to your price range soon.  I managed to get Band of Brothers on blu-ray for $33.99 the saturday after black friday, and that price was only posted for 2 hours.  I'm waiting for The Big Lebowski to be released on Blu-ray but it doesnt look likely.  There is quite a high demand for it too.  Just make sure you shop around for low prices and you can get most movies for $10-20 on blu-ray but sometimes it is B1G1 or B2G1.



Ail on 16 December 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
kanariya said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
masterb8tr said:
anyone who thinks download or streaming will be main stream anytime soon, needs to see a shrink.

 

That is the future as soon as transactions are made completely digital (Which it will be in the future).

 

It will be the future but not anytime soon to be mainstream.

Most of the people do not have fast enough connection.

Many ISPs out there have bandwidth cap.

Stream media will not reach BD quality any time soon.

People still prefer physically own the media as of now.

 

Hate to burst ur bubble but i'll be willing to bet that technology exists. On CNN they were experimenting with live holograms during the elections. Financial transactions will no longer need cash within the next 5 years. Ever heard of the Veri Chip?...if chip goes mainstream credit cards will be obsolete.

Blu Ray is not the future. It's redundant. File sharing is the next gen. We've used DVD's and Blu Ray discs as a pathway to bring downloading into the mainstream.

 

Chips have  been used for anything from debit cards, phone cards to electronic wallets for ages in Europe ( I had a debit card with a chip when I was in college 17 years ago..) so that' kinda a really good counter example against your argument...

This just goes out to point that if some technology is present in an area it doesn't mean it is there in whole wide world and ready to become the next standard ( I'm talking to the people advocating digital downloads as the future of Blu-Ray).

And you'll never get the german to replace their cash with chips anyway.. They just won't do it...



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crumas2 on 17 December 2008
Bboid said:

My walmart has a 4 sided cube(3 sides movies 1 side the sale player) in the aisle of bluray, 1 end display of new release bluray and in the normal aisle 8 feet of blu ray movies and 8 feet of blu-ray players.  They actually carry more blu-ray players than dvd now (which is strange and stupid to me) but their redesigned electronics dept focuses on HD entertainment.

On a side note since you also find issue with price, check Amazon.  If theres a specific movie you want to buy, find it on amazon, bookmark it, and check 2x a day and it will probably fall close to your price range soon.  I managed to get Band of Brothers on blu-ray for $33.99 the saturday after black friday, and that price was only posted for 2 hours.  I'm waiting for The Big Lebowski to be released on Blu-ray but it doesnt look likely.  There is quite a high demand for it too.  Just make sure you shop around for low prices and you can get most movies for $10-20 on blu-ray but sometimes it is B1G1 or B2G1.

 

Wow! what part of the country do you live in?  Our Walmart in Xenia, OH is the second largest in Ohio (200,000 sq ft), and has 2 Blu-ray players and just a small end-aisle Blu-ray display.

I just purchased a Blu-ray player, yesterday.  Very nice on my 40" Bravia set.  But they MUST GET THE PRICES DOWN.  I purchased the player at Circuit City, went over to the Blu-ray disc aisle, and every stinking movie was $25 and up.  Not a single title for less, and most of the popular movies were $35.  I'm going to check out Walmart today and see what the prices are currently like.

By the way, I recommend the Panasonic DMP-BD35k for anyone wanting a standalone player.  Very low profile, lots o' features, for about $300 (I wasn't going to buy until the prices came down further, but I received a sizeable bonus from work so I went for it).