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ymeaga1n on 13 December 2008
halogamer1989 said:
ymeaga1n said:
NJ5 said:
Khuutra said:
Louie said:
Guys, why exactly should Sony cancel the Ps3? Sure they are going to lose money on it but Microsoft lost much more on the original Xbox and I guess the PS3's sales as a Blu-Ray player make somewhat up for it.

I highly doubt they are going to cancel it. That would be much more expensive in the end.

Did they? I would be interested in seeing the numbers on that!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3873812&postcount=1

They seem about tied to me considering that the PS2 and PSP were contributing during the PS3 era. Both fiascos seem to have cost around $4 billion.

 

I would hardly call the xbox entering an console market a fiasco. It was a calculated gamble on their part and judging from how well the 360 is doing this gen, it paid off.

Sony's got a fiasoco. From ps2 dominating consoles last gen to a dominating 3rd place this generation.

 

MSFT expected to take a loss on the Xbox.  It was an entry console only and it fulfilled its life as a stopgap to the Xbox 360.

 

Oh yeah...you phrased it better. MS expected the loss on xbox, Sony didn't expect the loss on ps3.

 




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madskillz on 13 December 2008
BengaBenga said:
Louie said:
Guys, why exactly should Sony cancel the Ps3? Sure they are going to lose money on it but Microsoft lost much more on the original Xbox and I guess the PS3's sales as a Blu-Ray player make somewhat up for it.

I highly doubt they are going to cancel it. That would be much more expensive in the end.

 

Well, cancelling the PS3 (and I agree that that would mean the complete division, maybe minus PSP) would save Sony loads and loads of money. They can sell most of their development houses (they have a lot) and keep the profitable ftranchises (like GT and GoW) which will get the company massively in the black.

The PS3 done its job as the device that deliverd the victory against HD-DVD, without the loss making SCE division there would be much more liquidity to fund the HD battle versus formidable competitors like Philips and Samsung.

I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN, but you asked why they would to it. There are definitely benefits for Sony to kill SCE. That Microsoft lost more on the Xbox is irrelevant. MS has always had a much better balance sheet and their goal for the Xbox wasn't profit, but a way into the livingroom. Not to mention thatXbxo didn't cost anywhere near the insane 3 billion + Sony has lost so far on the PS3. (All the profits of the PS2 - the most successfull console ever - gone in just 2 years).

 

Benga, I would absolutely love reading a detailed view of your above post. I love to read - and I'd even buy a 10-shot latte from Starsucks and read it. Being serious - I want to read your breakdown. Not being funny - so don't ban me. You can PM me if you want.

 



colonelstubbs on 13 December 2008

Wow, the november NPD has really let the hounds loose on the PS3



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makingmusic476 on 13 December 2008
BengaBenga said:
Louie said:
Guys, why exactly should Sony cancel the Ps3? Sure they are going to lose money on it but Microsoft lost much more on the original Xbox and I guess the PS3's sales as a Blu-Ray player make somewhat up for it.

I highly doubt they are going to cancel it. That would be much more expensive in the end.

 

Well, cancelling the PS3 (and I agree that that would mean the complete division, maybe minus PSP) would save Sony loads and loads of money. They can sell most of their development houses (they have a lot) and keep the profitable ftranchises (like GT and GoW) which will get the company massively in the black.

The PS3 done its job as the device that deliverd the victory against HD-DVD, without the loss making SCE division there would be much more liquidity to fund the HD battle versus formidable competitors like Philips and Samsung.

I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN, but you asked why they would to it. There are definitely benefits for Sony to kill SCE. That Microsoft lost more on the Xbox is irrelevant. MS has always had a much better balance sheet and their goal for the Xbox wasn't profit, but a way into the livingroom. Not to mention thatXbxo didn't cost anywhere near the insane 3 billion + Sony has lost so far on the PS3. (All the profits of the PS2 - the most successfull console ever - gone in just 2 years).

 

 

Most of SCE's franchises are profitable these days.  SCEWWS is probably the most profitable part of SCE.  Even crappier titles like Heavenly Sword break a million (the exceptions being Lair and Folklore, the former being a flop of epic proportions, and the latter probably costing little to develop.  Oh, and the NBA series sells like crap as well).

Next year looks to be their biggest year yet.  Many of the titles they've been pumping money into over the past few years are finally getting released (Killzone 2, InFamous, White Knight Chronicles all hitting by May, as well as Demon's Souls in Japan), and thus finally bringing in revenue to offset those costs.  Throughout the first two years of this generation, Sony had plenty of titles in development but very few releases (the only SCE title released in the first six months of 2008 was GT5 Prologue).  Next year, Sony is looking to have a steady stream of releases throughout the entire year.

Edit:

And yes, the Xbox DID cost MS well over 3 billion.  Add in the 360's expenditures, and they're at over 6 billion in losses:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111003

Of course, they're making a profit now, so it's all good.  ^_^



NJ5 on 13 December 2008
ymeaga1n said:
NJ5 said:
Khuutra said:
Louie said:
Guys, why exactly should Sony cancel the Ps3? Sure they are going to lose money on it but Microsoft lost much more on the original Xbox and I guess the PS3's sales as a Blu-Ray player make somewhat up for it.

I highly doubt they are going to cancel it. That would be much more expensive in the end.

Did they? I would be interested in seeing the numbers on that!

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3873812&postcount=1

They seem about tied to me considering that the PS2 and PSP were contributing during the PS3 era. Both fiascos seem to have cost around $4 billion.

 

I would hardly call the xbox entering an console market a fiasco. It was a calculated gamble on their part and judging from how well the 360 is doing this gen, it paid off.

Sony's got a fiasoco. From ps2 dominating consoles last gen to a dominating 3rd place this generation.

 

I partly agree. I think they didn't expect to lose as much money as they did. The PS3 was much worse of course.

 



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DMeisterJ on 13 December 2008
madskillz said:
DMeisterJ said:
I feel like we've gone back in time.

Does anyone else get the eeriest form of Deja Vu from like eighteen months ago?

Sorry, my furry friend, but I don't think anyone is going to fall for your post.

OT: I am amazed at one thing - the sheer number of recent news about Sony's *pending* demise. The power of the media is no joke!

Que?

I was just saying the PS3 is doomed reminds me of early 07 when PS3 couldn't pass 100k in NPD.

Those were some ugly days.  :'(

What was there to "fall for"?



theprof00 on 14 December 2008

I don't think madskillz knows you, he's usually too busy on political threads.



Paperdiego on 14 December 2008

lol the same thing that happend with the ps1 and now happening with the ps2. duh.

 



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Garnett on 14 December 2008

DANG IT!!!

I just got a PS3 and it goes out of business,great a system with NO games,NO movies,GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (lmao jk)



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gebx on 14 December 2008
colonelstubbs said:
Wow, the november NPD has really let the hounds loose on the PS3

 

Ah, no kidding!

And its not just fanboys on forums, newspapers business sections are jumping on the bandwagon!



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