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griffinA on 15 December 2008

@windbane


but you said SE cared about graphics, so why wouldn't they have used the gamecube?



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LordTheNightKnight on 15 December 2008
windbane said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Btw, you can retract your "try again" statement any time up there, since the data shows I don't need to."

You liar. It does not.

 

You're seriously going to argue that the numbers above don't show that the PS2 was in a hugely dominate position? It was way ahead in all regions and selling more every month by 50% to 150% if you combine GC and Xbox. You are really going to argue that the Wii is in the same position? The market shares are completely different and the Wii isn't enjoying the same monthly dominance that the PS2 was then.

The fact that you can't read charts is very disturbing.

 

That wasn't what I said you were lying about.



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Possum5454 on 16 December 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
windbane said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Btw, you can retract your "try again" statement any time up there, since the data shows I don't need to."

You liar. It does not.

 

You're seriously going to argue that the numbers above don't show that the PS2 was in a hugely dominate position? It was way ahead in all regions and selling more every month by 50% to 150% if you combine GC and Xbox. You are really going to argue that the Wii is in the same position? The market shares are completely different and the Wii isn't enjoying the same monthly dominance that the PS2 was then.

The fact that you can't read charts is very disturbing.

 

That wasn't what I said you were lying about.

 

Your post here says otherwise.

LordTheNightKnight said:
"That was a different situation because the PS2 had the huge majority of the market share."

The first game came out in 2002, well before it was obvious the PS2 would be the other two combined. Try again.

 



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mai on 16 December 2008

You're seriously going to argue that the numbers above don't show that the PS2 was in a hugely dominate position? It was way ahead in all regions and selling more every month by 50% to 150% if you combine GC and Xbox. You are really going to argue that the Wii is in the same position? The market shares are completely different and the Wii isn't enjoying the same monthly dominance that the PS2 was then.


If we put all consoles in the same position, assume simultaneous start (don't forget PS2 started way ahead of all competitors, Wii a year later than X360):

Wii ~56% after 108 weeks:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=Wii&reg1=All&cons2=PS3&reg2=All&cons3=X360&reg3=All&weeks=108

PS2 ~55% after 108 weeks:
http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=GC&reg1=All&cons2=PS2&reg2=All&cons3=XB&reg3=All&weeks=108

Well, despite of the differences between last and current generations, I'd say this is pretty much the same dominance in terms of hardware sales ;)



LordTheNightKnight on 16 December 2008
Possum5454 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
windbane said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Btw, you can retract your "try again" statement any time up there, since the data shows I don't need to."

You liar. It does not.

 

You're seriously going to argue that the numbers above don't show that the PS2 was in a hugely dominate position? It was way ahead in all regions and selling more every month by 50% to 150% if you combine GC and Xbox. You are really going to argue that the Wii is in the same position? The market shares are completely different and the Wii isn't enjoying the same monthly dominance that the PS2 was then.

The fact that you can't read charts is very disturbing.

 

That wasn't what I said you were lying about.

 

Your post here says otherwise.

LordTheNightKnight said:
"That was a different situation because the PS2 had the huge majority of the market share."

The first game came out in 2002, well before it was obvious the PS2 would be the other two combined. Try again.

 

 

Mixed that up. Whatever. windbane was still lying, since the data did not support that claim.



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Possum5454 on 16 December 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
Possum5454 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
windbane said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Btw, you can retract your "try again" statement any time up there, since the data shows I don't need to."

You liar. It does not.

 

You're seriously going to argue that the numbers above don't show that the PS2 was in a hugely dominate position? It was way ahead in all regions and selling more every month by 50% to 150% if you combine GC and Xbox. You are really going to argue that the Wii is in the same position? The market shares are completely different and the Wii isn't enjoying the same monthly dominance that the PS2 was then.

The fact that you can't read charts is very disturbing.

 

That wasn't what I said you were lying about.

 

Your post here says otherwise.

LordTheNightKnight said:
"That was a different situation because the PS2 had the huge majority of the market share."

The first game came out in 2002, well before it was obvious the PS2 would be the other two combined. Try again.

 

 

Mixed that up. Whatever. windbane was still lying, since the data did not support that claim.

Funny thing is, I did too. I originally thought that Windbane was talking about the lack of jrpg's on the wii as (I assume) you were as well.

 



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markers on 16 December 2008

i still think it all depends on the sales of ffxiii and versus, if they sell nicely on the ps3 then i think they will make it ps3 exclusive. if they dont then it might go HD multiplat, if not wii exclusive or full on console multiplate /shrug SE needs some money full console multiplat lets them rerelease the old KH games + the 3rd one



vdoesntforgive on 16 December 2008

Sony haven't got a snowflakes chance in hell of getting KH3 on the PS3 exclusively.

I would go as far to say they won't get anymore high-budget games from S-E exclusively.



 

LordTheNightKnight on 16 December 2008
Possum5454 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Possum5454 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
windbane said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Btw, you can retract your "try again" statement any time up there, since the data shows I don't need to."

You liar. It does not.

 

You're seriously going to argue that the numbers above don't show that the PS2 was in a hugely dominate position? It was way ahead in all regions and selling more every month by 50% to 150% if you combine GC and Xbox. You are really going to argue that the Wii is in the same position? The market shares are completely different and the Wii isn't enjoying the same monthly dominance that the PS2 was then.

The fact that you can't read charts is very disturbing.

 

That wasn't what I said you were lying about.

 

Your post here says otherwise.

LordTheNightKnight said:
"That was a different situation because the PS2 had the huge majority of the market share."

The first game came out in 2002, well before it was obvious the PS2 would be the other two combined. Try again.

 

 

Mixed that up. Whatever. windbane was still lying, since the data did not support that claim.

Funny thing is, I did too. I originally thought that Windbane was talking about the lack of jrpg's on the wii as (I assume) you were as well.

 

 

I was discussing his (or her, haven't confirmed which) claim that the Wii being in the lead now isn't as significant as the PS2's lead when KH1 came out. And he/she still hasn't proven the series is known for graphics, in terms of processing, when all the quotes used refer to the art direction.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

windbane on 16 December 2008
Soriku said:
All right, windbane. You're arguing all this...but can you give any reasons as to why they'd choose KH3 for the PS3 over the Wii? Don't put any bias in this, give actual reasons why choosing the HD consoles is a much better choice than the Wii.

 

Just read what I've said.  I've already had to repeat myself many times over in this thread because people won't read what I say in full.

Oh fine, here it is again:

1.  PS3/360 has more market share than Wii and third party games are selling very well.  Btw, you say PS3 above but I'm pretty sure that because of Last Remnant, FF13, etc going to 360 that if KH3 goes HD it wil be multiplatform.  This isn't so much an argument for HD, more a counter argument to the fact that it would sell a lot more on the Wii.

2.  Developer of KH1 and KH2 is working on FF:13 Versus.  It's the same game type and the team will already have experience on PS3 as well as the tools ready to go.  Also, I find it very convienant that there is a DS and PSP version of KH coming out when the KH1/2 team is working on Versus.  Biding time.

3.  It has always made sense to me that DQX would be on Wii and KH would be HD.  Some seem to disagree with me about the reason, but to me I just felt like KH relied on graphics a little more than DQ.  Cutscenes are a large part of that, and I've said that I don't think KH is as graphical intensive as FF, but I think it factors in.  Square also seems willing to spread their franchises around this generation so why not mix it up.  Perhaps the difference in production value is just my view of Enix versus Square, since one created DQ and the other created FF (and yes, I realize they merged).  KH is based on the FF universe, so it would make sense to pair KH with FF13 more so than DQX.  Perhaps one could argue FF:CC or My Life as a King, so maybe that point is moot, but I'd favor the pairing of the main game over spinoffs.

4.  Along with the pairing of FF, KH is more of a western style game because of Disney and the action-RPG aspect of it.  Western RPGs have been very successful on HD consoles so far.  Mass Effect, Fable 2, Fallout 3, and Oblivion are the best examples I can think of.  They are all million sellers.

Anyway, the production value argument is secondary to the other points.  Perhaps a big difference I have with a lot of people here is that I don't think the Wii is going to run away with gaming sales like the PS2 had already done by the time KH1 and KH 2 came out (reason #1).  Third parties are just far too successful on the HD consoles. 

Therefore, I think #2 through #4 make the decision lean towards HD.