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Ladies and Gentlemen the grand argument is here but all you Weeaboo's know whats going to happen. 

 

1- Frame by frame individual animation. 

Anime fans slap there hands on there ears and scream lalala when they hear this.  ""But Dinomax, the animators have to cut corners on mouth animation, and well all general animation because japanese work so hard...""  Yet Disney will work THREE YEARS on one animated film.  Sounds to me that Japanese animators can't work  the hard yards.

 

2- The intro of the shows are better animated than the actual show.

But you actually get this.

 

Vs

Thats the animation, all the way through.  Looks like americans have more effort again.

 

3- All characters remain in preportions, during american animation that is.

 

 

Wow fluid, in preportions, right use of squash and stretch that doesn't deform the character, colours, shadows...

 

vs

 

 

Oh dear....

 

4- American cartoons actually speak english.   Or are properly translated or subbed.  

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYlqLlbix0

As this documentary shows, not even anime fans can translate or sub there shows right.  Not surprising since most wish they can even have a conversation in japanese, or meet a japanese person.

 

Lastly anime was born from the manga industry, which became big because USA showed Japan WHOS THE BOSS BITCH?  In WW2.   Tezuka the man consider god of manga.

The distinctive "large eyes" style of Japanese animation was invented by Tezuka,[2] who based it on cartoons of the time such as Max Fleischer's Betty Boop and Walt Disney's Bambi and Mickey Mouse.

 

Max-  HAHA! WHERES YOUR GOD NOW WAPANESE!

 

So with the all evidence, the winner of the animation battle is...

 

 

USA!  USA!  USA!



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I'm not sure it's fair for you to compare Aladdin (one of the best Disney films, from back in the day) to Naruto (a series not at all renowned for its art style).

You probably need to either pick a better animated anime or a worse animated American film.



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using Naruto as a benchmark for anime isn't a very good comparison, its a relatively cheaply made TV show, whereas disney stuff are all feature films, you should compare feature films like say Akira or Paprika to the disney films.



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Dinomax said:

Ladies and Gentlemen the grand argument is here but all you Weeaboo's know whats going to happen. 

 

1- Frame by frame individual animation. 

Anime fans slap there hands on there ears and scream lalala when they hear this.  ""But Dinomax, the animators have to cut corners on mouth animation, and well all general animation because japanese work so hard...""  Yet Disney will work THREE YEARS on one animated film.  Sounds to me that Japanese animators can't work  the hard yards.

 

2- The intro of the shows are better animated than the actual show.

But you actually get this.

 

Vs

Thats the animation, all the way through.  Looks like americans have more effort again.

 

3- All characters remain in preportions, during american animation that is.

 

 

Wow fluid, in preportions, right use of squash and stretch that doesn't deform the character, colours, shadows...

 

vs

 

 

Oh dear....

 

4- American cartoons actually speak english.   Or are properly translated or subbed.  

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYlqLlbix0

As this documentary shows, not even anime fans can translate or sub there shows right.  Not surprising since most wish they can even have a conversation in japanese, or meet a japanese person.

 

Lastly anime was born from the manga industry, which became big because USA showed Japan WHOS THE BOSS BITCH?  In WW2.   Tezuka the man consider god of manga.

The distinctive "large eyes" style of Japanese animation was invented by Tezuka,[2] who based it on cartoons of the time such as Max Fleischer's Betty Boop and Walt Disney's Bambi and Mickey Mouse.

 

Max-  HAHA! WHERES YOUR GOD NOW WAPANESE!

 

So with the all evidence, the winner of the animation battle is...

 

 

USA!  USA!  USA!

 

So is this why Disney stole Kimba andf turned it into The Lion King. Also you realize Disney purchases the rights to Japanese animations like Spirited Away? apparently not. So wins in the game of inports when a Japanese film is imported by an American company?

Still Your obviously baised since you are way to scared to even go into what matters in any film, cartoon series, or movie which is of course the story and or plot. Japanese animes and manga destroys America's usual crap. Only Disney's classics like Aladdin can actually match Japan's storytelling.

 



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Points 1 to 3 are debatable, I don't agree at all, and you haven't used even a good example (Naruto, while an excellent series in its own, as they have to produce a lot of episodes, far more than most animes, have less time to focus on correct animation, while Aladdin is one of the most polished Disney films ever. Wouldn't it be fairier to compare Naruto with something like The Simpsons?)

But point 4 is entirely laughable. It's obvious that you don't know the intrincacies of the Japanese language and its many subtleties, honorifics, words that can mean a lot of things, vague sentences, etc (which is even almost impossible to me and I know some Japanese). Since fansubbers do all the work for free, it's not to be expected for them to do a perfect job. Still, I'd much rather have them put suffixes like -kun, -san, -senpai and keep the original names of things like jutss, magics or something like that than to attempt a translation that most of time fails (Kawarimi no Jutsu > Substitution Jutsu; Kage Bunshin no Jutsu > Shadow Clone Jutsu, etc).

So in short, I think that your points are not valid, one is terrible, the others haven't a good example. And if you want people to take you seriously, you shouldn't end your post with "USA! USA!" because it seems that the only thing you wanna do is flame anime (which probably is what you wanted to do, anyway) instead of setting up a discussion.




Plus, capturing individual frames is stupid. Sure, characters will look awkward if you freeze it, but they're not designed to be watched frame by frame. I'm sure that Sasuke picture didn't look half as bad in motion.

On top of that, you're comparing a movie to a television series. Whereas a movie has a couple years to do 90 to 150 minutes of animation, a show will have a year to do anywhere from 12 to 24 hours of animation. Obviously, one has a bit more time.

Edit: It might be a bit more fair to compare something like this to Aladdin:



While I do admit, it is common to find American animations to be better animated by Japanese animations... some of your points are laughable, plus you are comparing a mediocre television series with a disney classic, which isn't very fair.

Also, by the end of your post, you were just being rude. Though, those pics of Naruto and Sasuke are hilarious



You fail to compare the most important thing? Story. Now when almost all of the American animation is targeted at children, and Japanese anime targets a variety of age groups, the story most of the time will be much more complex and interesting to me personally in Japanese Anime. I don't care how good American Animation looks, if the story sucks I won't watch it. Same thing goes with different Japanese anime. For example: I prefer FMA to Soul Eater because of its story. Soul Eater is a much more visually appealing anime though.



ROFL naruto.

omg compare to it to spirited away or something with class.

but damn not a rushed one ep per week anime.


same for CGI, americans can't do humans, as nice a japanese

advent children its OLD and still beats the crap of american cgi animations.