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Squilliam on 09 December 2008
famousringo said:
Squilliam said:
famousringo said:
 

 

What you're missing here is that Windows is a software platform, not a hardware platform. It's a completely different beast. So if you're going to insist on entering a dog in this horse race, I'll show up on a bicycle and assert that Windows and its bundled games has yet to usurp the deck of playing cards and all its bundled games as a gaming platform.

Ones electronic, the other isn't. If you bring in decks of cards, then I can bring in soccer balls and tennis balls as examples of games which outsell Wii Sports.

Its not a completely different beast anyway, wasn't it mentioned earlier that the single biggest games platform on the planet was the personal computer. Solitiare obviously counts amongst that number.

 

 

Yeah, that's almost exactly what I said in my first post, except I chose basketballs. Glad we're on the same page here.

Comparing a software platform's bundled games to a hardware platform's bundled games is pretty silly, isn't it? I mean, Windows has been bundling Minesweeper with Windows for 16 years, and will probably bundle it for as long as PCs use mice, while the Wii will be out of production within a decade and a new game will highlight the new interface of the Wii's successor.

PCs are still a hardware platform as well, just because its not vertically integrated like consoles are doesn't mean solitaire doesn't count. Its a different production system, but overall they are still very similar devices in design.

For example, HP has bundled games with their specific computers as well, do they count because they aren't bundled with the operating system and are put on the system by a party outside of Microsoft?

 



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Khuutra on 09 December 2008

Squilliam, answer Zucas, I want to see how far you can carry this with a straight face



Luthor on 09 December 2008

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ClaudeLv250 on 09 December 2008
Jo21 said:
c0rd said:

Yeah, there's a legible argument. Wii Sports is worth something (can actually be sold, hence best selling), Solitaire is not.

Is your copy of Wii Sports eating dust? Click here and see how people have found a solution (It goes for much more than I would have thought, I should've checked this earlier for countering some silly arguments).

 

 

they worth something they are part of the price of windows, which is part of the computer you are buying

same goes for wii sport, its comes part of the wii.

for those programs you are paying for them, as part of windows, as wii sports.

 

even if you don't want them, i didn't want wii sports either i would have preferred my wii came with galaxy or something more worthy ;)

 

No. Wii Sports is on a separate disc, is sold separately in Japan, and can be bought from Nintendo customer services for $15 (something that is often overlooked).

 

 



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Squilliam on 09 December 2008
FishyJoe said:
Is Wordpad a word processor? Is Paint a image processing program? It would be silly to compare them to Word or Photoshop, but that's precisely the same argument.

At some point you have to be reasonable. Unfortunately, immature people lack this ability.

Yes on both counts. Just because one is more advanced than the other, doesn't mean that they don't fit into the same category.

@Khuutra: I have answered Zucas.

 



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Khuutra on 09 December 2008

Nuh-uh you did not I mean the one he posted just before your reply to famousringo



FishyJoe on 09 December 2008
Squilliam said:
FishyJoe said:
Is Wordpad a word processor? Is Paint a image processing program? It would be silly to compare them to Word or Photoshop, but that's precisely the same argument.

At some point you have to be reasonable. Unfortunately, immature people lack this ability.

Yes on both counts. Just because one is more advanced than the other, doesn't mean that they don't fit into the same category.

@Khuutra: I have answered Zucas.

 

 

Well then, I can shut this discussion down because it's impossible to have a rational argument.



Squilliam on 09 December 2008
Zucas said:
Squilliam said:
Zucas said:
If only I could do this on a regular basis to try and piss people off.

Technically it would count but man that's pushing it. I mean technically its not bundled as its a part of the program. Meaning we are actually talking about Windows software sales rather than the sales of the game. But technically you could count it but man that is really pushing the limits of the definition of bundled. It's almost like saying that the Wii forecast channel is also sold and it should be up there as well.

Technically Wii sports isn't bundled because its in the box? Technically a double billing dvd is just one movie sale because its on the same disc?

Anyway the serious difference is that Solitaire is a game, forcast channel is not. As its pretty obvious there are more than 10x more copies of solitaire in the wild than Wii Sports that its the best selling game of all time. Its also quite possibly one of the most played games of all times as well, so suddenly it doesn't count?

 

 

Wii Sports is a separate entity.  Solitaire is a program on Windows.  There's no separation.  It's no more different than the Forecast Channel on the wii which is the point I was trying to make there.

But the case is solved.  Microsoft Solitaire is not sold for a profit.  You can download it for free off their site.  Meaning in the package it doesn't weigh into the price.  Meaning its not sold.  Wii Sports does weigh into the price becuase we know it can be sold.  Sold in Japan and $40 on Amazon.  If its not sold it can't be the best selling game ever.

 

The whole lack of seperation is an entire part of the Windows platform. Because its just that, a complete platform.  If you're willing to count games like Alex the Kid on the Master System then you have to count Solitaire on Windows. Both aren't seperate entities, both given away "free" with every system and yet one is counted and the other dismissed.

Something given away for free is devalued from a monetary perspective, but that doesn't make it valueless. Even Wii sports would suffer from this phenomenom as it is essentially given away also and therefore not valued as highly as a game which must be purchased seperately. There are millions of people who play Solitaire every day, so obviously to those people it does have value.

 



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