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famousringo on 09 December 2008

Very original, Squil. I was looking to take out some aggression on an equine corpse.

1. It's a PC game. This site tracks console games. Asking to count PC games is like asking to put your dog in a horse race. Why not start counting chess boards and basketballs?

2. Can you demonstrate that Microsoft sees any revenue from those games? Nintendo earns an extra $30 or more on Wiis with Wii Sports bundled than it does on unbundled Wiis. People pay for Wii Sports regardless of what region they buy their Wii in.



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Zucas on 09 December 2008

Nah I'm going to say this doesn't work. For one, if the game was sold separately would it actually be sold and no its a free download. Meaning it's not a part of the price when its sold at all. Wii Sports if it were sold separately would be a part of the price. Japan is the facts for that not to mention you could still sell Wii Sports used on Ebay for people who bought the system used and need the game.

Second thing its hard to say that its actually separate from Windows. Sure you can download it but it becomes a part of Windows rather than a medium similar to a normal PC game.

So no this actually doesn't work.



JPSandhu on 09 December 2008
griffinA said:
no one buys a computer for solitare

 

yeah, everyone knows they buy it for MS Chess.

i sure as hell did, the porn was just a gimick



 

linkthe2nd on 09 December 2008

I'm sure someone covered this before, but
People buy the wii to play games. Wii sports is a game.
People buy windows because its an OS that is required to use your computer.
Same thing applies for cellphones, pdas, etc. Noone is buying the "Bundle" for the game by itself.



Yeah, I finally have a sig.

Squilliam on 09 December 2008

famousringo said:
Very original, Squil. I was looking to take out some aggression on an equine corpse.

1. It's a PC game. This site tracks console games. Asking to count PC games is like asking to put your dog in a horse race. Why not start counting chess boards and basketballs?

The site has pc games in its database, and it has numbers for some PC games. So obviously it tracks pc games where data is available and the total number of copies of each version of Windows is information which is freely available.

2. Can you demonstrate that Microsoft sees any revenue from those games? Nintendo earns an extra $30 or more on Wiis with Wii Sports bundled than it does on unbundled Wiis. People pay for Wii Sports regardless of what region they buy their Wii in.

If even 5% of those copies are used, then it obviously adds value to the operating system. Solitaire, Minesweeper rank up there as some of my most played games.

 

 



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Khuutra on 09 December 2008
Squilliam said:
Khuutra said:
Quick somebody post a picture of a fancy person whose monocle is flying off

Why aren't you mentioning those difficult, hardcore games like Mario Kart as an excuse for Nintendo huh?

 

 

How boorish.



famousringo on 09 December 2008
Squilliam said:

famousringo said:
Very original, Squil. I was looking to take out some aggression on an equine corpse.

1. It's a PC game. This site tracks console games. Asking to count PC games is like asking to put your dog in a horse race. Why not start counting chess boards and basketballs?

The site has pc games in its database, and it has numbers for some PC games. So obviously it tracks pc games where data is available and the total number of copies of each version of Windows is information which is freely available.

2. Can you demonstrate that Microsoft sees any revenue from those games? Nintendo earns an extra $30 or more on Wiis with Wii Sports bundled than it does on unbundled Wiis. People pay for Wii Sports regardless of what region they buy their Wii in.

If even 5% of those copies are used, then it obviously adds value to the operating system. Solitaire, Minesweeper rank up there as some of my most played games.

 

 

What you're missing here is that Windows is a software platform, not a hardware platform. It's a completely different beast. So if you're going to insist on entering a dog in this horse race, I'll show up on a bicycle and assert that Windows and its bundled games has yet to usurp the deck of playing cards and all its bundled games as a gaming platform.



"The worst part about these reviews is they are [subjective]--and their scores often depend on how drunk you got the media at a Street Fighter event."  — Mona Hamilton, Capcom Senior VP of Marketing
*Image indefinitely borrowed from BrainBoxLtd without his consent.

Squilliam on 09 December 2008
Zucas said:
If only I could do this on a regular basis to try and piss people off.

Technically it would count but man that's pushing it. I mean technically its not bundled as its a part of the program. Meaning we are actually talking about Windows software sales rather than the sales of the game. But technically you could count it but man that is really pushing the limits of the definition of bundled. It's almost like saying that the Wii forecast channel is also sold and it should be up there as well.

Technically Wii sports isn't bundled because its in the box? Technically a double billing dvd is just one movie sale because its on the same disc? 

Anyway the serious difference is that Solitaire is a game, forcast channel is not. As its pretty obvious there are more than 10x more copies of solitaire in the wild than Wii Sports that its the best selling game of all time. Its also quite possibly one of the most played games of all times as well, so suddenly it doesn't count?

 

 



Tease.

Zucas on 09 December 2008
Squilliam said:
Zucas said:
If only I could do this on a regular basis to try and piss people off.

Technically it would count but man that's pushing it. I mean technically its not bundled as its a part of the program. Meaning we are actually talking about Windows software sales rather than the sales of the game. But technically you could count it but man that is really pushing the limits of the definition of bundled. It's almost like saying that the Wii forecast channel is also sold and it should be up there as well.

Technically Wii sports isn't bundled because its in the box? Technically a double billing dvd is just one movie sale because its on the same disc?

Anyway the serious difference is that Solitaire is a game, forcast channel is not. As its pretty obvious there are more than 10x more copies of solitaire in the wild than Wii Sports that its the best selling game of all time. Its also quite possibly one of the most played games of all times as well, so suddenly it doesn't count?

 

 

Wii Sports is a separate entity.  Solitaire is a program on Windows.  There's no separation.  It's no more different than the Forecast Channel on the wii which is the point I was trying to make there.

But the case is solved.  Microsoft Solitaire is not sold for a profit.  You can download it for free off their site.  Meaning in the package it doesn't weigh into the price.  Meaning its not sold.  Wii Sports does weigh into the price becuase we know it can be sold.  Sold in Japan and $40 on Amazon.  If its not sold it can't be the best selling game ever.

 



Squilliam on 09 December 2008
famousringo said:
Squilliam said:

famousringo said:
Very original, Squil. I was looking to take out some aggression on an equine corpse.

1. It's a PC game. This site tracks console games. Asking to count PC games is like asking to put your dog in a horse race. Why not start counting chess boards and basketballs?

The site has pc games in its database, and it has numbers for some PC games. So obviously it tracks pc games where data is available and the total number of copies of each version of Windows is information which is freely available.

2. Can you demonstrate that Microsoft sees any revenue from those games? Nintendo earns an extra $30 or more on Wiis with Wii Sports bundled than it does on unbundled Wiis. People pay for Wii Sports regardless of what region they buy their Wii in.

If even 5% of those copies are used, then it obviously adds value to the operating system. Solitaire, Minesweeper rank up there as some of my most played games.

 

 

What you're missing here is that Windows is a software platform, not a hardware platform. It's a completely different beast. So if you're going to insist on entering a dog in this horse race, I'll show up on a bicycle and assert that Windows and its bundled games has yet to usurp the deck of playing cards and all its bundled games as a gaming platform.

Ones electronic, the other isn't. If you bring in decks of cards, then I can bring in soccer balls and tennis balls as examples of games which outsell Wii Sports.

Its not a completely different beast anyway, wasn't it mentioned earlier that the single biggest games platform on the planet was the personal computer. Solitiare obviously counts amongst that number.

 



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