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Comrade Tovya on 12 December 2008

Well, according to that website (which is a little silly considering the lack of depth it provides).. this is me:

 

 

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 40%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 80%



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rocketpig on 12 December 2008
ikilledkenny said:
Honestly, I pretty much agree with damkira- anyone who can facilitate the destruction of the Republican Party as a national force. The Democrats have a massive new coalition, akin to Roosevelt's New Deal Coalition. With a far right candidate, this coalition would be preserved.

This is a silly and downright destructive idea and I think anyone who believes it needs a swift kick in the nuts.

One massively dominant party will always lead to corruption, theft, and basically, a massively inefficient government not influenced by the peoples' needs, even worse than it is now.

Even the biggest partisans should be smart enough to realize that a strong counterpoint is needed to keep your own politicians in check. Believing otherwise is downright ridiculous.

Now, if you were to say "I'd like to see the Republican Party fail miserably for a few years so they actually return to being a counterpoint to the Democrats", I would agree wholeheartedly. The GOP needs an enema and they need to return to being the anti-Democrats with lower taxes, lower spending, and fiscal responsibility. Right now, they're not that party. If they wanted to toss in traditional Republican values of staying out of peoples' personal lives while they're at it, I certainly wouldn't complain.

But to wish for the downfall of one party in a two party system is downright ignorant. Sorry, but it is.

 




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Final-Fan on 12 December 2008
halogamer1989 said:

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 10%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.

That is my score and I am proud of it!!!

Holy shit! 

That score means you answered "maybe" to one question, right?  What was it?



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Comrade Tovya on 12 December 2008
rocketpig said:
ikilledkenny said:
Honestly, I pretty much agree with damkira- anyone who can facilitate the destruction of the Republican Party as a national force. The Democrats have a massive new coalition, akin to Roosevelt's New Deal Coalition. With a far right candidate, this coalition would be preserved.

This is a silly and downright destructive idea and I think anyone who believes it needs a swift kick in the nuts.

One massively dominant party will always lead to corruption, theft, and basically, a massively inefficient government not influenced by the peoples' needs, even worse than it is now.

Even the biggest partisans should be smart enough to realize that a strong counterpoint is needed to keep your own politicians in check. Believing otherwise is downright ridiculous.

Now, if you were to say "I'd like to see the Republican Party fail miserably for a few years so they actually return to being a counterpoint to the Democrats", I would agree wholeheartedly. The GOP needs an enema and they need to return to being the anti-Democrats with lower taxes, lower spending, and fiscal responsibility. Right now, they're not that party. If they wanted to toss in traditional Republican values of staying out of peoples' personal lives while they're at it, I certainly wouldn't complain.

But to wish for the downfall of one party in a two party system is downright ignorant. Sorry, but it is.

 

 

Very well said, I couldn't agree more...

"Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"



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rocketpig on 12 December 2008

Shocking, I know...




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halogamer1989 on 12 December 2008
Final-Fan said:
halogamer1989 said:

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 10%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.

That is my score and I am proud of it!!!

Holy shit! 

That score means you answered "maybe" to one question, right?  What was it?

The first one.  Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet. 

  In all reality I would choose Agree but in war I don't want al-Qaeda's message board to have the upper hand ;)



Comrade Tovya on 12 December 2008

Censorship was one of my moderate points.

I disagree with censorship nearly in every aspect, except when it comes to child pornography and things like that. That is illegal, and is censored, and I am glad that it is.



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Final-Fan on 12 December 2008
halogamer1989 said:
Final-Fan said:
halogamer1989 said:
Your PERSONAL issues Score is 10%.
Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 100%.

That is my score and I am proud of it!!!
Holy shit! 

That score means you answered "maybe" to one question, right?  What was it?
The first one.  "Government should not censor speech, press, media or Internet."

In all reality I would choose Agree but in war I don't want al-Qaeda's message board to have the upper hand ;)

I figured that was most likely it, but I wasn't totally sure.  Thanks.



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Final-Fan on 12 December 2008

Similarly, there's only one Personal question that rocketpig answered Maybe to -- but his is harder to guess.  halogamer1989's was a pretty good bet because Americans usually have a deep ingrained defense of freedom of speech and he Disagreed with all the rest. 

I'll guess ... hmm ... drugs, with National ID as runner-up.



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Kasz216 on 12 December 2008
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
That's all any politician does during a debate Akuma. Recite a script they've been prepped with.

McCain, Biden and Obama all did the same thing. It just wasn't as noticeable.

Every candidate is given a huge script before the debates. That's why debate prep takes so much time.
What you are saying is true, but you are looking at things in the abstract.  And Obama actually is advocating a tax cut for the majority of Americans plus a stimulus package.

But the fact that our national debt is over $9 trillion could be disastrous in the future.  It would be irresponsible to keep dropping taxes when the debt is as high as it already is.  If we had $0 in debt, I'd be all for a tax cut, but that isn't the case.
The reason republicans aren't fiscally conservative anymore is because democrats aren't fiscally conservative and it's a dozen times easier to get spending bills passed then it is to get spending cuts passed.

If you aren't getting a big piece of the pie your constitutiants are wondering why the blue disctricts are getting so much more of the national taxpayer money.

Republicans and Democrats fight over the budget... and aren't willing to compromise.  If the democrats are going to get so much money for their plans, the republicans want at least as much money for their plans or it looks bad on them.  Etc.

That's the problem.  For one party to be fiscally conservative they both do in the modern times.

I don't think the evidence supports this argument. 

The last time Democrats controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 1993-1994.  They raised taxes and cut spending, enabling the balanced budgets and budget surpluses of the 1990s.  (Republicans hammered on the "raised taxes" part hard enough to win historic amounts of Congressional seats.) 

The last time the Republicans controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 2001 and 2003-2007.  Um, do I have to say it? 

On a side note, I would guess that the blue districts get more money anyway because big cities trend Democratic.
I'm pretty sure the Balanced budget was around in the early Clinton Years.  When the republicans were in control.

I'm pretty sure in fact it was balanced then because I remember the White House almost getting shut down during the whole fiasco.

And I said a bigger percentage of the money.  Not bigger amount.

Nope, you're wrong.  I've had this exact same discussion before and I think it was with you. 

(Two minutes later)

OK, well, not the same discussion, but the post I made then is pretty much exactly on topic for this discussion as well. 

"Actually, the Democratic congress was not replaced until 1994.  This is largely because of the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993 (AKA Deficit Reduction Act) which is credited with balancing the budget.  It raised taxes and cut spending.  Every single Republican in Congress (House and Senate) voted against the bill.  Republicans were able, IIRC, to hammer Democrats for raising taxes and swept into control of both House and Senate in 1994."

For clarity, I meant the 1994 elections, of course.  Democrats controlled the House and Senate up until January 1995. 

And I don't understand how "a bigger percentage" would be different from "a bigger amount compared to other places".  A bigger per capita amount would make a difference.  Is this what you mean?  If not, what do you mean?

Interesting...  Though I'm still not seeing how that disagrees with my assesment... since the spending cut was most likely largely republican based projects.

It becomes a matter of two sides fighting over the same budget line... I mean the republicans really went wrong sometime after TR.  Who was like the first major advocate of Universal Healthcare... yet also a strident hater of wasteful spending, needless regulations etc.

and yeah i do mean per capita.  In which it only makes sense.

The people who are for wasteful spending are just going to get more then their fair share of the budget... because they're going to ask for money they don't need... they're just going to get other tax payers money... not because their district needs it...but because it wants it.