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Kasz216 said:

No real blame game about it.  Just see no way to get back to the "Good old days." politically.

People seem hellbent on wasteful spending regardless.

Even a depression won't stop them since constant spending is what's supposed to get you out of a depression.

We seem somewhat caught in a loop of crazy spending.

I mean, i'd argue that the Neocons took power... probably with Reagan starting mostly. 

I mean Reagan promised a lot of cuts... one of his and George Bush's big campaign planks was "I will eliminate the useless department of education."

It's still here though... why?  It's a great place to put political lackies.

 

Because Republicans like to talk more about big government rather than actually do that much about big government.  At least with tax cuts they usually deliver, but with big government it can be a complete mixed bag.  Bush the W. for instance is the first President to break a $1 trillion budget AND the first President to break the $2 trillion mark.  That's just unacceptable coming from the party of supposed fiscal conservatives.

I'm all for rooting out waste and inefficiency in the departments, like Education and especially Homeland Security (which is just one big mess right now with no clear goals).  Independent evaluation of the government from a third party is a must in terms of making the government more efficient. 

I think there are a lot of great government programs and govermental bodies out there that people overlook, but the government should be run more like a business.  I just don't see why it should be any other way.

People often ignore state government's problems too.  State goverments are as inefficient or more so than the federal government (at least nationally, it can vary based on the state).



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The best way to eliminate waste in Homeland security and Education is to get rid of them both.

They're both redundent departments.

Also i'd like to see where it states that state governments are less efficent than federal governments. Afterall states have actual competitors... each other.



This site will give you all the information you could want about state and federal spending, but it is too complex for me to post on this site very easily:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

akuma587 said:
This site will give you all the information you could want about state and federal spending, but it is too complex for me to post on this site very easily:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

I'm not seeing where your seeing the state and local governments being more inefficient here but i'll keep looking.

If there are particular figures here that are supposed to be of note feel free.

 



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Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
This site will give you all the information you could want about state and federal spending, but it is too complex for me to post on this site very easily:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

I'm not seeing where your seeing the state and local governments being more inefficient here but i'll keep looking.

If there are particular figures here that are supposed to be of note feel free.

 

Its too complicated for me to even wade through and extract data averaging out the information from all fifty states, but I no longer have access to the print article I once had that did a great comparison of how much faster state government has grown than the federal government in the last few decades.



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

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akuma587 said:

Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
This site will give you all the information you could want about state and federal spending, but it is too complex for me to post on this site very easily:

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/

I'm not seeing where your seeing the state and local governments being more inefficient here but i'll keep looking.

If there are particular figures here that are supposed to be of note feel free.

 

Its too complicated for me to even wade through and extract data averaging out the information from all fifty states, but I no longer have access to the print article I once had that did a great comparison of how much faster state government has grown than the federal government in the last few decades.

I still don't see how that gauges their efficencies.

The government growing bigger isn't really a problem in of itself.  It's when the government grows bigger for no good reason.

The real problems with some of the growth in the states is that they have basic problems in their structure... and for whatever reason state governments would rather raise taxes then rewrite legislation in most cases.

Though a decent amount of problems with the state governments is stuff the federal governments mandate.

No Child Left Behind and the Deparment of Education making education costs higher.

Insular laws to protect drug and health companies.

 



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Kasz216 said:
No real blame game about it.  Just see no way to get back to the "Good old days." politically.

People seem hellbent on wasteful spending regardless.

Even a depression won't stop them since constant spending is what's supposed to get you out of a depression.

We seem somewhat caught in a loop of crazy spending.

I mean, i'd argue that the Neocons took power... probably with Reagan starting mostly.

I mean Reagan promised a lot of cuts... one of his and George Bush's big campaign planks was "I will eliminate the useless department of education."

It's still here though... why?  It's a great place to put political lackies.

Also Ninja Breadman was created by a British Company. So they're more likely to be left leaning then right leaning.

Though admittidly government intervention could have prevented the game from coming out.

I was joking.  Although ... Republicans ~ Thatcherites, so being British is no escape. 

So far, from what you've said, it seems that neocons are greatly to blame for what you are talking about (and I agree with that assessment); I just don't get the 'Democrats are just as culpable and may even have started it' that you initially said.  If we take that part out, I don't think we have an argument here.



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