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Hus said:
Bodhesatva said:
Hus said:
Quality, the likes of Metroid or Mario Galaxy not Excite truck and PS2 ports. Is that really what you consider quality ? really ?

I sure as hell don't consider Fear or RSvegas as "quality" PS3 games.






Just curious, what do you consider to be quality?


Of all platforms.

Ratchet, Metroid, Halo3, GTA4, Oblivion, Mario Galaxy, FF13, MGS4, MAss Effect, Bioshock, Uncharted, White Night Story, Eternal Sonata, Gears, GT5, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet, Crysis, Lost Planet, Killzone, COD4, URT3.

 

Maybe my "quality" is alot higher then yours, then this whole thing is so pointless lol.


Just figured I would combine these lists so that everyone can see how unblievably ridiculous you look arguing like this.

 3rd Party:

-Godfather Wii
-Rayman Raving Rabbids
-Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
-My Sims
-NiGHTS
-No More Heroes
-Zack and Wiki
-Beautiful Katamari (budget title)
-Bully Scholarship Edition (If you played this game last gen you know it will be awesome with Wiimote controls)
-Resident Evil 4 Wii (budget title)
-Final Fantasy CC:CB
-Dragon Blade
-Geometry Wars Galaxies
-Medal of Honor: Heroes 2
-Guitar Hero 3
-Tales of Symphonia: KoR
-Sword of Legendia
-Harvest Moon Wii
-Manhunt 2 (someday)
-Samurai Warriors Katana
-Mercury Meltdown Revolution (budget title)
-Puzzle Quest (budget title)
-Rock Band
-Resident Evil: UC
-Soul Calibur Legends (this may turn out sucky)
-Sadness
-Space Station Tycoon
-Trauma Center
-Trauma Center 2

1st Party:

-Mario Kart Wii
-Kirby Wii
-Zelda Wii
-Wii Fit (may not be your cup of tea)
-Camelot RPG (most likely Golden Sun)
-Animal Crossing Wii
-Battalion Wars 2
-Disaster: Day of Crisis
-Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
-Endless Ocean
-Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
-Metroid Prime 3
-Super Smash Bros. Brawl
-Super Mario Galaxy
-Mario Strikers Charged
-Excite Truck
-Super Paper Mario
-Twilight Princess
-Wario Ware: Smooth Moves

 

BTW, funny you should mention old ports, since 3 of the top 5 rated PS3 games are just that.  Oblivion, Rainbow Six Vegas, and Ninja Gaiden Sigma.  Oh and Virtua Fighter 5 is soon to have a much better version on the 360.  If you take out old games and ports of old Xbox and 360 games the PS3 library drops down below the Wii library in average scores.  You aren't listing sports games either among the games you enjoy:  Well 10 of the 20 PS3 games to recieve green scores (75% plus) are sports titles.  

I'm not saying you shouldn't play what you enjoy, but insulting an entire system's library of games as bad (which is clearly false) simply because they don't match your tastes is ridiculous. 



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BenKenobi88 said:
I'd say COD4 is looking better...but RSV is an awesome tactical game...unless the PS3 port really sucked that bad? I had fun with it on 360 and PC...

It was not great, thats for sure.

 



Hus said:
Bodhesatva said:
Hus said:
Quality, the likes of Metroid or Mario Galaxy not Excite truck and PS2 ports. Is that really what you consider quality ? really ?

I sure as hell don't consider Fear or RSvegas as "quality" PS3 games.






Just curious, what do you consider to be quality?


Of all platforms.

Ratchet, Metroid, Halo3, GTA4, Oblivion, Mario Galaxy, FF13, MGS4, MAss Effect, Bioshock, Uncharted, White Night Story, Eternal Sonata, Gears, GT5, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet, Crysis, Lost Planet, Killzone, COD4, URT3.

 

Maybe my "quality" is alot higher then yours, then this whole thing is so pointless lol.


I'll just start with your first example. The last iteration of Ratchet and Clank, Size Matters, recieved an 85 on Metacritic:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psp/ratchetandclanksizematters?q=ratchet%20and%20clank

The best selling Ratchet game was the original, and it sold under 3 million copies. Here is the list of how well they have sold:

http://vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php?name=ratchet&console=&publisher=&sort=Total

Games on the Wii which have recieved better reviews than the last Ratchet:

Zelda
Resident Evil 4
Super Paper Mario

Games coming to the Wii whose last iterations recieved better scores:

Metroid Prime
Super Mario Galaxy
Super Smash Brother Brawl
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart
MySims
Geometry Wars
Fire Emblem

Games coming to the Wii that have historically sold better than Ratchet (2.9 million+)

Mario Kart
Super Mario Galaxy
Guitar Hero
Madden
Super Smash Brothers
Super Mario Galaxy
MySims
Animal Crossing
Wii Fit
Wii Music
Dance Dance Revolution

As to your CoD4 against RSV: the last Call of duty games (two and three, since two was the last developed by Infinity Ward) receieved these reviews:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/callofduty2?q=call%20of%20duty%202
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbx/callofduty2bigredone?q=call%20of%20duty%202

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/ps2/callofduty3?q=call%20of%20duty%202

As you can see, CoD2 averaged around an 82 (depending on version) and CoD3 averaged around the same. Rainbow Six Vegas:

http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/xbox360/tomclancysrainbowsixvegas?q=rainbow%20vegas
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/tomclancysrainbowsixvegas?q=rainbow%20vegas

So you can see RSV got higher review scores than any CoD game ever. In short, you don't have "higher" standards, you just have different ones. You have your tastes, I have mine. By any objective standard, CoD is not better than Rainbow Six Vegas, nor is Ratchet and Clank superior to any of the games I've mentioned. It's just your opinion.


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Hey everyone leave hus alone.

He hasn't used the word "kiddie" once in this thread, he must be showing incredible self-restraint. I think he deserves a lolly.



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naznatips said:
Hus said:
Bodhesatva said:
Hus said:
Quality, the likes of Metroid or Mario Galaxy not Excite truck and PS2 ports. Is that really what you consider quality ? really ?

I sure as hell don't consider Fear or RSvegas as "quality" PS3 games.






Just curious, what do you consider to be quality?


Of all platforms.

Ratchet, Metroid, Halo3, GTA4, Oblivion, Mario Galaxy, FF13, MGS4, MAss Effect, Bioshock, Uncharted, White Night Story, Eternal Sonata, Gears, GT5, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet, Crysis, Lost Planet, Killzone, COD4, URT3.

 

Maybe my "quality" is alot higher then yours, then this whole thing is so pointless lol.


Just figured I would combine these lists so that everyone can see how unblievably ridiculous you look arguing like this.

3rd Party:

-Godfather Wii
-Rayman Raving Rabbids
-Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
-My Sims
-NiGHTS
-No More Heroes
-Zack and Wiki
-Beautiful Katamari (budget title)
-Bully Scholarship Edition (If you played this game last gen you know it will be awesome with Wiimote controls)
-Resident Evil 4 Wii (budget title)
-Final Fantasy CC:CB
-Dragon Blade
-Geometry Wars Galaxies
-Medal of Honor: Heroes 2
-Guitar Hero 3
-Tales of Symphonia: KoR
-Sword of Legendia
-Harvest Moon Wii
-Manhunt 2 (someday)
-Samurai Warriors Katana
-Mercury Meltdown Revolution (budget title)
-Puzzle Quest (budget title)
-Rock Band
-Resident Evil: UC
-Soul Calibur Legends (this may turn out sucky)
-Sadness
-Space Station Tycoon
-Trauma Center
-Trauma Center 2

1st Party:

-Mario Kart Wii
-Kirby Wii
-Zelda Wii
-Wii Fit (may not be your cup of tea)
-Camelot RPG (most likely Golden Sun)
-Animal Crossing Wii
-Battalion Wars 2
-Disaster: Day of Crisis
-Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
-Endless Ocean
-Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
-Metroid Prime 3
-Super Smash Bros. Brawl
-Super Mario Galaxy
-Mario Strikers Charged
-Excite Truck
-Super Paper Mario
-Twilight Princess
-Wario Ware: Smooth Moves

 


  The only one looking unblievably ridiculous is you.  You concider al those to be of the same quality as MGS4 or Gears ? who are you kidding.

 Thers no point to posting, Excit truck is of GT quality by your standards.



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Hus said:
naznatips said:
Hus said:
Bodhesatva said:
Hus said:
Quality, the likes of Metroid or Mario Galaxy not Excite truck and PS2 ports. Is that really what you consider quality ? really ?

I sure as hell don't consider Fear or RSvegas as "quality" PS3 games.






Just curious, what do you consider to be quality?


Of all platforms.

Ratchet, Metroid, Halo3, GTA4, Oblivion, Mario Galaxy, FF13, MGS4, MAss Effect, Bioshock, Uncharted, White Night Story, Eternal Sonata, Gears, GT5, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet, Crysis, Lost Planet, Killzone, COD4, URT3.

 

Maybe my "quality" is alot higher then yours, then this whole thing is so pointless lol.


Just figured I would combine these lists so that everyone can see how unblievably ridiculous you look arguing like this.

3rd Party:

-Godfather Wii
-Rayman Raving Rabbids
-Rayman Raving Rabbids 2
-My Sims
-NiGHTS
-No More Heroes
-Zack and Wiki
-Beautiful Katamari (budget title)
-Bully Scholarship Edition (If you played this game last gen you know it will be awesome with Wiimote controls)
-Resident Evil 4 Wii (budget title)
-Final Fantasy CC:CB
-Dragon Blade
-Geometry Wars Galaxies
-Medal of Honor: Heroes 2
-Guitar Hero 3
-Tales of Symphonia: KoR
-Sword of Legendia
-Harvest Moon Wii
-Manhunt 2 (someday)
-Samurai Warriors Katana
-Mercury Meltdown Revolution (budget title)
-Puzzle Quest (budget title)
-Rock Band
-Resident Evil: UC
-Soul Calibur Legends (this may turn out sucky)
-Sadness
-Space Station Tycoon
-Trauma Center
-Trauma Center 2

1st Party:

-Mario Kart Wii
-Kirby Wii
-Zelda Wii
-Wii Fit (may not be your cup of tea)
-Camelot RPG (most likely Golden Sun)
-Animal Crossing Wii
-Battalion Wars 2
-Disaster: Day of Crisis
-Donkey Kong Barrel Blast
-Endless Ocean
-Fire Emblem: Goddess of Dawn
-Metroid Prime 3
-Super Smash Bros. Brawl
-Super Mario Galaxy
-Mario Strikers Charged
-Excite Truck
-Super Paper Mario
-Twilight Princess
-Wario Ware: Smooth Moves

 


The only one looking unblievably ridiculous is you. You concider al those to be of the same quality as MGS4 or Gears ? who are you kidding.

Thers no point to posting, Excit truck is of GT quality by your standards.


Did I say anywhere that all of those are AAA?  No.  Neither were even HALF of the titles you listed, but here:

Twilight Princess
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Metroid Prime 3
Zack and Wiki
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario Kart Wii
Animal Crossing Wii

Those are the games I think are AAA known so far.  I don't think Excite Truck is GT quality, but I think Mario Kart is higher than GT quality.  Of course that's MY opinion.  See here is the difference, and your main problem.  You seem to think that your opinion is fact, but it's not, it's just some random fanboy opinion.  It means nothing.  You have no right to talk about anything other than your personal preferences (which hold the Wii to a double standard as it is, by comparing the lowest end of well recieved Wii games to the highest end of well recieved PS3 games). 

I see no credibility within your posts.  You list no facts, you repeat the same arguments even when they are disproved over and over, you assume games will be bad long before their release, and you claim your opinions are fact. I honestly can not find a single redeaming thing in any of your posts.  It's frustrating trying to explain it to you though.  I don't even know why I am talking to you.  I have a better chance of convincing my cat to pee standing up than convincing you to stop posting ridiculous and insulting fanboy crap.



Killzone, Ratchet and Resistance is on the same level as MGS4 and FFXIII?
There is no way to argue against faith.



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

naznatips said:
 

Did I say anywhere that all of those are AAA? No. Neither were even HALF of the titles you listed, but here:

Twilight Princess
Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Metroid Prime 3
Zack and Wiki
Super Mario Galaxy
Mario Kart Wii
Animal Crossing Wii

Those are the games I think are AAA known so far. I don't think Excite Truck is GT quality, but I think Mario Kart is higher than GT quality. Of course that's MY opinion. See here is the difference, and your main problem. You seem to think that your opinion is fact, but it's not, it's just some random fanboy opinion. It means nothing. You have no right to talk about anything other than your personal preferences (which hold the Wii to a double standard as it is, by comparing the lowest end of well recieved Wii games to the highest end of well recieved PS3 games).

I see no credibility within your posts. You list no facts, you repeat the same arguments even when they are disproved over and over, you assume games will be bad long before their release, and you claim your opinions are fact. I honestly can not find a single redeaming thing in any of your posts. It's frustrating trying to explain it to you though. I don't even know why I am talking to you. I have a better chance of convincing my cat to pee standing up than convincing you to stop posting ridiculous and insulting fanboy crap.


Yahh your credible, old ports on the wii are quality games. Looks whos the insulting fanboy just cause someone does not consider mediocre crap like excite truck as a quality game.

I dont hold the wii to a double standart, i sure as hell dont concider old ports as quality games on PS3 i just concider 95% wii games lack quality. How many of the ones you listed even have online ?

So tell me of all these.

Ratchet, Metroid, Halo3, GTA4, Oblivion, Mario Galaxy, FF13, MGS4, MAss Effect, Bioshock, Uncharted, White Night Story, Eternal Sonata, Gears, GT5, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet, Crysis, Lost Planet, Killzone, COD4, URT3.

Which ones aren't aaa, remember you said not even half. 



ItsaMii said:
Killzone, Ratchet and Resistance is on the same level as MGS4 and FFXIII?
There is no way to argue against faith.

 They surely are a hell of alot closer then Excite truck is to Gran Turismo.  Resistance online rivels any shooter out on any of the consols.

  



You're pretty obsessed with bashing Excite Truck considering that it's not a bad game.



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