I'm not getting the recent #'s this week for 360

NA

360 total 477k

Kung Fu Panda + Indiana bout 130k u gotta assume some are buying the games by them selfs

Sega tennis 128k

Total 258k wat are the rest  219k 360s selling with no game?

Eu

360 total 310k

KFP + IJ 80k

SST 45k

Total 125k wat are the rest 185k 360s selling wit no game?

Do all Arcades being sold come with Sega Superstar Tennis?

Do all Pro and Ellites come with Kung Fu Pand and Indiana Jones?

Im just tring to fiquire out out of the 477k 360s sold in NA how many were Arcades

and out of the 310k sold in EU how many were Arcades

Although MS has a holiday bundle pack, it's likely that they're still selling old systems w/o the bundles.

Arcades are bundled with Sega Superstars Tennis + the XBLA Pack (which isn't counted)

Pros and Elites are bundled with Lego IJ and Kung Fu Panda for the holidays - but had no games before the holidays.

Do u think it's safe to say that in NA less than 200k are pro and elites
And in Eu less than 130k are Pro and Elites

or were there more than 200k Pro Elites sold in NA and more than 130k in EU for that week

I'd say that it's unlikely there were more than 55% of consoles sold, being Pros or Elites.

there's a lot of arcades that don't have the sega superstar game, such as in our future shop in canada. We still have old pros/elites that don't have games bundled but we're supposed to sell the ones with games on it.

thanx guys never knew that thought all old stock be gone by now guess not though

..Ever notice the massive discrepancies between any hardware companies' reports of "units shipped" versus what VGC claims?

There is usually between a 1 million and 2 million unit discrepancy between the 2 numbers - in favor of the 'units shipped' report by the hardware company. The reason for this is that there has to always be a significant number of consoles in the supply chain - at a distributor near the hardware factory, on a boat or plane going to a country for sale, at a distributor in a specific region (such as Asia or Europe), at a regional distribution center (such as a Wal Mart distribution center that can cover a 100 mile radius), and finally in the store.

That supply chain is absolutely MASSIVE for every company - In Microsoft's case, the fact is, those Holiday Bundles were being made and packed months ago in China. The new Jasper hardware (with the 150w PSU and 256mb internal drive for the Arcade) started production in August, and in some cases - only hit stores very recently. The absolute newest your going to find a Made-On date for a given console is most likely going to be 1 month, or a little more, and that's if your in the very slim minority that get that new of a console.

Point being is that since the supply chain is so massive, you will ALWAYS have a significant amount of hardware being sold that's 'old'. Heck, I remember people getting 9 month old Xbox 360's last year, since Microsoft over-shipped consoles for Holiday 2006.

Although new X360s are most likely moving briskly, I can assure you that draining the supply chain of old consoles isn't an easy task - especially with the fact that Microsoft is re-supplying the chain at a rate of around 500,000 consoles a week as we speak (in addition to whatever stock has been lying around at distribution points the world over).

almost every xbox360 comes with free game here, usually they sell 360 with latest game coming for free today i saw a bundle that had 60gb 360, gears 1&2, far cry 2, PGR4 and sega tennis for only £185, it was the best bundle i have seen yet.