I have no doubt... my 7 year old kid is more hardcore than me too.  He started playing Halo when he was 2 (no joke) and went online and kicked my friends butts on Halo 2 when he was 4.  The little kids and the older folks are taking our private gamer world over. ;)

http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=94907

Could it be because Microsoft says it is competing against Nintendo?

Mike from Morgantown

I said ROFFLE!

Lol, I just noticed that!  However, it's funnier when a bunch of guys do it.  Plus you get to make fun of their 'hobbies' if you catch my drift.  

No, it's not funnier or no, you don't get what I mean?

I don´t know, it seems to me that some like to "pretend" the Wii doesn´t belong in the race, a somewhat arrogant attitude (at least in my opinion) meaning that HD consoles are "nextgen" and Wii is not.

I can understand that those who just like to compare PS3 and 360 sales for which who could wind up in second place can be annoyed about the subject of Wii coming up but for those in the category i described above I think it´s fitting to remind them that Wii DO compete with the HDconsoles in the salesrace this gen.

If one does not want cunfusion I think it´s a good thing to say that either of the HDconsoles could beat the other for 2:nd place finish in the race.

Just my two cent on the subject.

What is the definition of being a refrigerator then? Being cold or just being colder then the competition?

The Conduit and Red Steel 2 ain't on your mind?

My girlfriend is playing Fable II and Assassins Creed on her Xbox 360 and I wonder which console she will play the most of Xbox 360 and Wii. Interesting to see. :)

To bad developers and publishers wasn't brilliant enough to use what Nintendo created. I like little cartoony and past generation style core games as they can grow a tradeoff for developers and publishers to do better games for the money they earn in previous games.

But I don't like multiplatform games with missing features that the last gen consoles had in their time and lesser graphics then GameCube can handle. Maybe I'm hard on the multplats, but if they have great graphics on the HD consoles, then they don't have to look like PS2 games on Wii. And I don't like some casual games that don't even sell. But I think it will get better in those areas.

Yeah, I wish Nintendo had put a little more power into their GPU.  The graphics remind me of the SNES or something...

Though I still find it ironic that the two powerwul consoles and their makers are now trying to mimic the little Atari-like-powered Nintendo console with really cool controllers.  That's probably a first in the history of the gaming industry... the star quarterback and the big linebacker want to be like the little midget math nerd who's going to graduate with honors. Let this be a lesson kiddos, the little nerdy midget in your school might just kick your ass one day... so don't pick on him! LOL

Well, in reading what I have for the last year, no: there's no commonly accepted definition for hardcore in the gaming community.  I've read several different attempts to define the term, and so far, there hasn't been any consensus.  (Or, to quote Wikipedia: "There is currently no unanimously agreed upon definition for the term.")  You, in particular, seem to feel that "hardcore" means the kinds of games you and your friends happen to like.  You can't seem to provide any real definition, or reasoning, except to rattle off a bunch of games you think are cool.  And so, because your "definition" is so very loose and flawed, your attempt to make a pronouncement like Wii-only owners cannot be "hardcore" comes across as immature, short-sided and vaguely like an attempt to insult. 

So look, if you think it's a big issue, and that gamers need to be divided up into camps and labelled because that'll make the PS3's shrinking marketshare somehow more palatable, or whatever it is that is your issue, be my guest.  But before you do, go ahead and put some more thought into it

But really, instead of spending your time trying to pin down the root essence of hardcoreness, you should probably be asking yourself: what on earth does it matter?