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makingmusic476 said:
Blu-Ray has been pronounced dead like 4-5 times, but it's still alive and kickin'.

The Dark Knight is looking to be the first Blu-Ray title to break a million, in roughly the same time span after launch it took the Matrix to break a million on DVD.


Which is a horrible sign for Blu-ray.

I mean DVD has exponentially grown the market since it first came out.

1 Million is probably equal to like 300,000 back when DVD was first out.

The home movie industry has grown at least 5% each year... and that growth has been exponential.

That'd be like comparing the PS3 to the SNES in sales numbers...

and it's total discs sales... still well behind DVD.  Despite the fact that total disc sales of all formats is so greatly inflated.

When you really look at it it's hard to buy into the spin.

Blu-ray hasn't ever been doing good.

It's never really risked "dieing off" too much money to be made off videophiles... but all it's doing is hanging around.

 



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dbot said:
NightDragon83 said:

I don't hate Blu-Ray, I just don't think it's the ideal next step for a mainstream home entertainment medium.

DVDs were a huge step above VHS cassettes, just as audio CDs were a huge step above audio cassettes a decade earlier when the industry made the transition from analog to digital mediums.  Blu-Ray is to DVD as Laserdisc was to VHS... an improvement but not a replacement.

I remember when DVD came out, it was adopted very slowly.  DVD's problems were price and the biggest factor was people couldn't play their VHS tapes in their DVD player.  The resolution increase from VHS to DVD is actually much less than the resolution gain from DVD to Blu-ray. 

That isn't what sold DVD.

What sold DVD was all the added features DVD offered people.  That and people forced the jump.

If it was about resolution... (and the movie industry didn't force peoples hands) it would of never been adopted.

Also... it adopted better then blu-ray when you compare disc sales instead of player sales... (of which the vast majority of have playing blu-ray as a secondary option.)

 



Kasz216 said:
dbot said:
NightDragon83 said:

I don't hate Blu-Ray, I just don't think it's the ideal next step for a mainstream home entertainment medium.

DVDs were a huge step above VHS cassettes, just as audio CDs were a huge step above audio cassettes a decade earlier when the industry made the transition from analog to digital mediums.  Blu-Ray is to DVD as Laserdisc was to VHS... an improvement but not a replacement.

I remember when DVD came out, it was adopted very slowly.  DVD's problems were price and the biggest factor was people couldn't play their VHS tapes in their DVD player.  The resolution increase from VHS to DVD is actually much less than the resolution gain from DVD to Blu-ray. 

That isn't what sold DVD.

What sold DVD was all the added features DVD offered people.  That and people forced the jump.

If it was about resolution... (and the movie industry didn't force peoples hands) it would of never been adopted.

Also... it adopted better then blu-ray when you compare disc sales instead of player sales... (of which the vast majority of have playing blu-ray as a secondary option.)

 

Err ?

Didnd't the movie industry shift from a model where titles would be available first for rent and then several months after for purchase  to a model where you could buy titles the day they became available for rent when the DVD switch happened ?

If that isn't giving a new format a huge boost, I'm not sure what is...

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Kasz216 said:
WiiStation360 said:
Nice. You found an old article from before Blu-Ray sales picked up for the Holidays. From all indications Blu-Ray is doing well this holiday season. It is amazing how things can change in such a short amount of time.

according too...?

The Blu-ray assosiation that was lieing the whole time claiming blu-ray was dong great in the first place...?  (When it was way behind DVD and has never been ahead of DVD.)

Still Blu-ray isn't going to ever die.

At worst it'll be a secondary format to DVD with probably less then a quarter of the total market at days end.

 

How has the Blu Ray Disc Association lied? Have any links?



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won't happen



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Bodhesatva said:
Kasz216 said:
WiiStation360 said:
Nice. You found an old article from before Blu-Ray sales picked up for the Holidays. From all indications Blu-Ray is doing well this holiday season. It is amazing how things can change in such a short amount of time.

according too...?

The Blu-ray assosiation that was lieing the whole time claiming blu-ray was dong great in the first place...?  (When it was way behind DVD and has never been ahead of DVD.)

Still Blu-ray isn't going to ever die.

At worst it'll be a secondary format to DVD with probably less then a quarter of the total market at days end.

 

How has the Blu Ray Disc Association lied? Have any links?

Lied may be too strong a word... but claiming your doing better then DVD because your outselling them in disc player sales when counting the PS3 sure is about to as close to lieing as you can get without getting sued for it.

While ignoring you're losing mightly when it comes to disc adoption rates.

 



I remember one of the big issues with DVD, when it came out, was that you could not record on it. People loved their VCR's because of the ability to record. The culture of actually buying movies was there with VHS but it was DVD that made buying movies so much more attractive than renting them, once the price of movies came down to such a low level.

So ironically we have BD as a physical HD format not only competing against it's predecessor, DVD for the movie buying market, but we have BD starting to compete against download/streaming on demand HD services more in the rental space.

I posted in another thread that the world is going HD. It's just the way it is. See here at bottom of pg 6 or otherwise this will be a very long post :)

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=51398&page=6

Read that, and the point is that HD is basically inevitable. So eventually it's really going to be a debate of BD (Physical HD) vs. download/streaming.

I'm open to debate on that one :)



Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
dbot said:
NightDragon83 said:

I don't hate Blu-Ray, I just don't think it's the ideal next step for a mainstream home entertainment medium.

DVDs were a huge step above VHS cassettes, just as audio CDs were a huge step above audio cassettes a decade earlier when the industry made the transition from analog to digital mediums.  Blu-Ray is to DVD as Laserdisc was to VHS... an improvement but not a replacement.

I remember when DVD came out, it was adopted very slowly.  DVD's problems were price and the biggest factor was people couldn't play their VHS tapes in their DVD player.  The resolution increase from VHS to DVD is actually much less than the resolution gain from DVD to Blu-ray. 

That isn't what sold DVD.

What sold DVD was all the added features DVD offered people.  That and people forced the jump.

If it was about resolution... (and the movie industry didn't force peoples hands) it would of never been adopted.

Also... it adopted better then blu-ray when you compare disc sales instead of player sales... (of which the vast majority of have playing blu-ray as a secondary option.)

 

Err ?

Didnd't the movie industry shift from a model where titles would be available first for rent and then several months after for purchase  to a model where you could buy titles the day they became available for rent when the DVD switch happened ?

If that isn't giving a new format a huge boost, I'm not sure what is...

Yeah that's what i meant.  They did force it.

If DVD was just about resolution and had no push from the industry where they made people jump into the water... no change would of happened.

 



I guess this idiot blogger doesn't let facts get in his way:

http://www.product-reviews.net/2008/12/03/sony-blu-ray-disc-sales-are-booming/



Kasz216 said:
Ail said:
Kasz216 said:
dbot said:
NightDragon83 said:

I don't hate Blu-Ray, I just don't think it's the ideal next step for a mainstream home entertainment medium.

DVDs were a huge step above VHS cassettes, just as audio CDs were a huge step above audio cassettes a decade earlier when the industry made the transition from analog to digital mediums.  Blu-Ray is to DVD as Laserdisc was to VHS... an improvement but not a replacement.

I remember when DVD came out, it was adopted very slowly.  DVD's problems were price and the biggest factor was people couldn't play their VHS tapes in their DVD player.  The resolution increase from VHS to DVD is actually much less than the resolution gain from DVD to Blu-ray. 

That isn't what sold DVD.

What sold DVD was all the added features DVD offered people.  That and people forced the jump.

If it was about resolution... (and the movie industry didn't force peoples hands) it would of never been adopted.

Also... it adopted better then blu-ray when you compare disc sales instead of player sales... (of which the vast majority of have playing blu-ray as a secondary option.)

 

Err ?

Didnd't the movie industry shift from a model where titles would be available first for rent and then several months after for purchase  to a model where you could buy titles the day they became available for rent when the DVD switch happened ?

If that isn't giving a new format a huge boost, I'm not sure what is...

Yeah that's what i meant.  They did force it.

If DVD was just about resolution and had no push from the industry where they made people jump into the water... no change would of happened.

 

 

Same thing is slowly happening with Blu-Ray.

I don't think the business model were you sold movies 6 months old DVDs for 5-7$ each is very sustainable when those movies cost 200-300 million$ to produce and when theaters revenues are not increasing anymore...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !