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rukusa said:
SamuelRSmith said:
Brand power only has a small effect, and that's mainly on small, impulse buy products like Coca-Cola, brand power generally does not translate onto expensive items.

If it did, the world would still be driving around in a Ford.

Im afraid youre right.

Look, I guve my support to Sony. But seriously cant get over some of the most retarded things Ive heard their frontmen say & do during the start of this generation of consoles. They share ALOT of faults for the sour position they've gotten themselves into:

Ken Kutaragi - obviously had a developing state of megalomania being so convinced that whatecer Sony would do the public would swallow it deep and hard. Despite being positive about Sony I still shake my head in disbelief about stuff like "two-jobs-buy-a-PS3" Krazy Ken. He underestimated the rivals LARGELY something that nearly ran the SCEJ business to the ground.

Phil Harrison - The man greenlit, so many games that turned out to be HORRIBLE lacking alot of quality which he kept telling himself and the public, in denial was true. Catastrophies like LAIR, untold Kingdom, GENJI 2 Heavenly Sword, several of FPS's (he was fucking saturating the god damn market with this) ,HOME (god DAMN IT Phil *facepalm*) etc.. ONLY one out of all those shits was a gem which i still appreciate: LBP.

Otherwise both of the above completely LOST what their fanbase & target consumers demanded.

I think the only guy who can save SCEJ comes in FAR, FAR, FAR too late into the SCEJ management is Shuhei Yushida - the dude has displayed surprisingly alot of competence to me from what Ive seen him say. Plus he's alot more willing to admit that his rivals/competitors have a good job. Also considering he comes from the background as the third party software consultant/manager gives me alot of belief leading towards which games the fanbase will want. Thanks to him I see PSN developing faster and pushing the developers to make features come out for the PS3 gamers. He's a gamer himself and can associate with what gamers enjoy. He's the only guy at SCEI I have some ounce of faith to believe that he may sort things out for Sony. At least clean their bad rep among the hardcore gamers.

 

 

Phil Harrison was a quite a good guy for Sony. Frankly Sony would never have had half the games it has exclusively from 3rd parties if it wasnt for him.

As for the games I bolded, what? I'll admit LAIR was bad at release but the control patch made the game actually fun to play. Heavenly Sword was bad??? it was quite fun. Home isnt even a game. HOME is a social networking program like many of the virtual online networking sites we have on the web now. It is very good at what it is meant to do. IF you dont believe me please look up the networking program "There".

Since you seem to want to speak about Ken Kutaragi I do have something to say about him. Ken was a BRILLIANT engineer. One of the greatest engineering visionaries of our time. If anyone wants to deny this go ahead but there are millions of hardware engineers that would disagree.

The PS3 was a vision that was to early to be released but whats scary is that the PS2 was supposed to be what the PS3 is. Thats right, Ken had the vision of the PS3 before he made the PS2. He knew what he wanted to design and what he wanted to evolve his product into. He sucked at PR but PR was not what his specialty was. His specialty is in the engineering lab creating new technology.

 



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Comrade Tovya said:
Kzoellner said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Kzoellner said:
Also think about this. the box has had to basically pull out everything in its bag to keep competing with PS3. I mean hack and slash prices. using every game idea out there to take control. if ps3 dropped price with the game line up they have coming out M$ can only drop the price until they are broke to stay alive... The PS3 has not put up a bad fight. for only being two years old.

 

First and foremost, MS is never going to go broke over the 360.  They can give away 360s for $50 each and they'd do just fine...the Xbox divison is a very small piece of the MS empire.

But more importantly, don't discount price as a simple "gimmick".  In todays miserable credit market, price is as important as ever.

And I don't think anyone is saying that Sony is dead or second rate.  The PS3 is definitely the superior console... but it costs more than the competition and Sony doesn't have the ability to drop the PS3 much lower at the current moment.  I drive an Escalade, and the comfort and superior technology in it makes it a bargain to me... because I can afford to drop $60,000 on a vehicle and pay out the butt for insurance for it.  But it doesn't matter, because the average family can't... that's why they buy compact vehicles that get 30-miles to the gallon.

So I can argue with people all day long that the Escalade is a bargain for the buck, but they don't have the money to buy it so my arguement will fall on deaf ears... they'll still buy an sub-par, cheap sub-sompact.

 

congrats on your escalade????  Most of america before this time of troubles couldn't afford an escalade either.  Dude people have money.  If people who want to spend money they will.  This is not the great depression.  If i wanted to go out and buy an escalade i could too.  The choices people are making is on their own.  I never said microsoft would go broke.  I am saying if PS3 dropped the price microsoft will fight to the death it seems.    We all know that PS cannot drop the prices anymore.  

 

 

Cool deal, that just means that we are on the same page.

Like I've alway said... the PS3 is the better console in the technology arena (and really I think the $399 price is a bargain for what you get).   Most people however, don't want to spend that much to dip their feet into the entry waters of the PS3 world.  They will however spend about $200.00 to do the same in the XB360 world.

And don't discount the current economic crisis.  The great depression wasn't an overnight phenomenom either.  It took 3 years after the crash prior to the actual depression starting.

This credit crisis is a real threat to the economy.  I have 800+ FICO score, and keep a virual zero balance on my cards (always pay in full) but even my cards are not getting their credit increases like they were a year ago.  After the holiday season is over, it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Long story short, people want to spend less money... and really that is a rule that transcends economic troubles.  Yet, in a weak economic atmosphere it only becomes that much more important.  The consumer confidence levels are at the lowest they've been this decade, and that equates into people spending less money.

 

Can i ask you a question?

 

Why is it you keep stating the ps3 is the more technologicaly advanced console?

How is that so when it hasent proved itself to a console 2 years older than it and with supposed weaker specs?

The fact is its not more advanced.The ps3 has a weaker gpu and uses its cpu in a bad way.So therefor its not technologicaly moire advanced.And also as you stated its live system and o.s is weaker and the o.s should be considered part of the hardware regardless because you cant change the ps operating system and have full functionality as a console within that operating system unless its official from sony.

 

A movie format does not make it a more advanced console.Wirless is bad for gaming but can be added to 360 if you choose.Tell me how its more advanced?

 

Can it stream netflix from within its meni system can it play the same games as 360 at the same frame rate with the same quality?Im sorry but in no way is it more advanced hell you said it yourself about how you hate the controller having to replace the controller due to battery failure how is that more advanced?

 



drizzlenuts said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Kzoellner said:
Comrade Tovya said:
Kzoellner said:
Also think about this. the box has had to basically pull out everything in its bag to keep competing with PS3. I mean hack and slash prices. using every game idea out there to take control. if ps3 dropped price with the game line up they have coming out M$ can only drop the price until they are broke to stay alive... The PS3 has not put up a bad fight. for only being two years old.

 

First and foremost, MS is never going to go broke over the 360.  They can give away 360s for $50 each and they'd do just fine...the Xbox divison is a very small piece of the MS empire.

But more importantly, don't discount price as a simple "gimmick".  In todays miserable credit market, price is as important as ever.

And I don't think anyone is saying that Sony is dead or second rate.  The PS3 is definitely the superior console... but it costs more than the competition and Sony doesn't have the ability to drop the PS3 much lower at the current moment.  I drive an Escalade, and the comfort and superior technology in it makes it a bargain to me... because I can afford to drop $60,000 on a vehicle and pay out the butt for insurance for it.  But it doesn't matter, because the average family can't... that's why they buy compact vehicles that get 30-miles to the gallon.

So I can argue with people all day long that the Escalade is a bargain for the buck, but they don't have the money to buy it so my arguement will fall on deaf ears... they'll still buy an sub-par, cheap sub-sompact.

 

congrats on your escalade????  Most of america before this time of troubles couldn't afford an escalade either.  Dude people have money.  If people who want to spend money they will.  This is not the great depression.  If i wanted to go out and buy an escalade i could too.  The choices people are making is on their own.  I never said microsoft would go broke.  I am saying if PS3 dropped the price microsoft will fight to the death it seems.    We all know that PS cannot drop the prices anymore.  

 

 

Cool deal, that just means that we are on the same page.

Like I've alway said... the PS3 is the better console in the technology arena (and really I think the $399 price is a bargain for what you get).   Most people however, don't want to spend that much to dip their feet into the entry waters of the PS3 world.  They will however spend about $200.00 to do the same in the XB360 world.

And don't discount the current economic crisis.  The great depression wasn't an overnight phenomenom either.  It took 3 years after the crash prior to the actual depression starting.

This credit crisis is a real threat to the economy.  I have 800+ FICO score, and keep a virual zero balance on my cards (always pay in full) but even my cards are not getting their credit increases like they were a year ago.  After the holiday season is over, it's going to get worse before it gets better.

Long story short, people want to spend less money... and really that is a rule that transcends economic troubles.  Yet, in a weak economic atmosphere it only becomes that much more important.  The consumer confidence levels are at the lowest they've been this decade, and that equates into people spending less money.

 

Can i ask you a question?

 

Why is it you keep stating the ps3 is the more technologicaly advanced console?

How is that so when it hasent proved itself to a console 2 years older than it and with supposed weaker specs?

The fact is its not more advanced.The ps3 has a weaker gpu and uses its cpu in a bad way.So therefor its not technologicaly moire advanced.And also as you stated its live system and o.s is weaker and the o.s should be considered part of the hardware regardless because you cant change the ps operating system and have full functionality as a console within that operating system unless its official from sony.

 

A movie format does not make it a more advanced console.Wirless is bad for gaming but can be added to 360 if you choose.Tell me how its more advanced?

 

Can it stream netflix from within its meni system can it play the same games as 360 at the same frame rate with the same quality?Im sorry but in no way is it more advanced hell you said it yourself about how you hate the controller having to replace the controller due to battery failure how is that more advanced?

 

im sorry but I have to do this

LAWL

please give farther explaination on the CELL and the GPU. Considering the fact that the PS3's RSX should only be about 5% - 8% weaker than the Xenos mainly due to the Xenos' ability to force shaders.

 

And actually COD4 runs better on the PS3... same with DMC4.. and GTA4.. and many other multiplats.

 

Frankly your post is entirely trolling... considering you have no idea wtf your talking about.



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I wouldn't worry about it. I had a grea time with my gamecube, and PS3 seems better than GC to me. I got 360, but what it came down to was m friends had 360. If my friends all had Wii I dunno what I would have done, but if they all had PS3s I would have gotten a PS3.



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Omg!!!!

Just stop. Second Third place is our destiny.




Comrade Tovya said:
RPG said:
Well what do you propose we do, compare Wii sales to 360/PS3? If so this site will not last long at all.

 

I don't think you really can compare them.  I think the Wii is in its own category.  It's all about the interactive gaming experience.

The 360 & PS3 are all about HD gaming... superior graphics & sound intergrated into traditional gaming.  Games that are ported from the PS3 to 360 or vice versa are generally the same all-in-all.  The Wii versions of the game always tend to get completely made over.

If there is any fight at all, it's between Sony & MS.  Nintendo's part in the war is a battle against itself.. atleast until next generation when Nintendo releases an HD Wii.

 

They may have different sub-categories, but whether it's "interactive" or "HD" gaming - it's still gaming. Which is all that really matters.  To the majority of people alive, they are all simply home gaming machines. 

I honestly feel that what you said is fanboy self-affirmation for why their console isn't winning.  Take cue from the OP and just enjoy gaming regardless of what company makes your box.  Really, you'll enjoy things more if you do.



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i think it will be a good fight.

i think i need to see how sony fights back in 2009 to make my mind.

but after FF13 and GT5 are released and the ps3 reaches a mass market price point. future looks bright.

as now it have to stay competitive.



he'll be back once the ps3 starts winning again.