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Kasz216 on 21 November 2008
FPSrules said:
i won't start judging blu ray in a negative way. as we all remember when the dvd player came out nobody wanted it cause the price was ridious and everyone was a customite to VCR. once ps2 came out, and dvd players prices drop, they were selling like crack and VCR was abandend

considering the fact that everyone will eventually upgrade to HD, and that standard DVD's can't and will never support HD moives everyone will get blu ray. blu ray cds is actually cheaper to make than dvd cd's, why cause some movies require 2 cd's to ft a movie(ex-Titanic), with blu ray thats 1 less cd which saves money. and they are made out of the same materials so 1 blu ray cd cost the same to make as 1 dvd cd


Not remotley true.

DVD at this point in it's life had sold well more discs then Blu-ray has in the US... and really it's US numbers likely would eclipse Blu-ray WW at this point.

At the end of the Christmas Season it was sitting on 128 Million in it's 2nd and a half year.  Well higher then Blu-ray.  The only thing Blu-ray has is a hardware advantage... because, well the PS2 hadn't released yet.

DVD was already a smashing success welll before PS2.

Also... you can play blu-ray movies on a standard TV.... though i don't know why you would when you could just get DVDs cheaper.



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JaggedSac on 21 November 2008

I have already purchased over 300 dvds. It is unlikely that I will double dip on Blu-Rays. I am still going to get a blu-ray player(sub $150) but will only rent from Netflix. Would also take the strain off my 360's disc drive.



DarkNight_DS on 22 November 2008
leo-j said:
Download a 1080p movie? Sure lets wait 20 hours for it to download..

Incase anyone actually cares... a 1080p movie has a smaller file size then a 720p or 1080i movie.  1080p was a marketing gimick to push in a lower bitrate for the same quality.  1080p movies are 24fps, 720p movies are 60 fps, 1080i movies can be 24fps, 29.97fps or 59.97fps. 

The lower frame rate allows for the lower bitrates.

 



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JaggedSac on 22 November 2008
DarkNight_DS said:
leo-j said:
Download a 1080p movie? Sure lets wait 20 hours for it to download..

Incase anyone actually cares... a 1080p movie has a smaller file size then a 720p or 1080i movie.  1080p was a marketing gimick to push in a lower bitrate for the same quality.  1080p movies are 24fps, 720p movies are 60 fps, 1080i movies can be 24fps, 29.97fps or 59.97fps. 

The lower frame rate allows for the lower bitrates.

 

 

Actually, any movie not filmed with digital cameras are 24 fps(the standard for film projectors).  If they use more than that in their transfers for 720p/1080i it would be retarded. 



Username2324 on 22 November 2008
darconi said:
leo-j said:
Download a 1080p movie? Sure lets wait 20 hours for it to download..

 

There's this thing called compression algorithms. See, you don't have to download a 50 gb blu-ray disc to get the content on the 50 gb disc. The H.264 compression scheme allows for 720p HD movies to be downloaded with a total file size in the 4-6gb size range (go check torrent sites if you don't believe me). Yes, you got that correct, you can view a 720p movie that is only 1/4 the size of a DVD9 and yes the quality is somewhat good, but not great. Next excuse? EDIT: There are also 1080p movies on the internet that are in the15-25GB range, still downloadable.

Fixed.

If you want anywhere near the quality of blu-ray movies, those are the file sizes you're looking at. The 2GB 720p files and 1080p 6GB show extreme compression and are almost pointless to download.

Then there is the problem of harddrive space, the growing problem of bandwidth limitations, oh yeah, downloading movies is illegal!

It's easier just to get a Blu-ray player, and Blu-ray movies, the quality is better, it's legal, and you can help support the economy instead of tearing it apart.

 



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JaggedSac on 22 November 2008

I streamed King of Kong in HD over Netflix on the 360. It took 10 seconds to start and looked damn good. Not blu-ray quality mind you, but pretty damn good looking. It is very very convenient to be able to browse to a movie and hit play and get a damn good looking picture almost instantaneously. Of course the selection right now is sub par, but as Netflix gets a big boost from the NXE, we will see more content being deployed via HD streaming.

I will still get a blu-ray player(sub $150), because how else can you really show off your home theatre system.



DarkNight_DS on 22 November 2008
JaggedSac said:
DarkNight_DS said:
leo-j said:
Download a 1080p movie? Sure lets wait 20 hours for it to download..

Incase anyone actually cares... a 1080p movie has a smaller file size then a 720p or 1080i movie.  1080p was a marketing gimick to push in a lower bitrate for the same quality.  1080p movies are 24fps, 720p movies are 60 fps, 1080i movies can be 24fps, 29.97fps or 59.97fps. 

The lower frame rate allows for the lower bitrates.

 

 

Actually, any movie not filmed with digital cameras are 24 fps(the standard for film projectors).  If they use more than that in their transfers for 720p/1080i it would be retarded. 

 

I'd say 99% of the 720p and 1080i movie transfers are all running at higher then 24fps.  ;)  And yes of course I realize that film is/was shot in 24fps.  It happens to be something I'm wayyyy too familiar with ;)

Oh and BTW there are many standards for film speeds.  24FPS just so happens to be the most common.  You'll come across other standards like 18FPS for animation/claymation, 120fps for certain short films etc.



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Tremble on 22 November 2008

This may be a little bit crazy, but here is MY explanation on why a blu ray movie is so expensive: don't you think that the price is pretty high to give a high quality value to the product? And once everybody is ready for that, they'll cut the price.

I think that it's just a question of high standing they wanna give to the product cause it's not possible that a blu ray movie costs twice the price than a dvd movie.

They just wanna hype their product I guess.



Username2324 on 22 November 2008
Tremble said:
This may be a little bit crazy, but here is MY explanation on why a blu ray movie is so expensive: don't you think that the price is pretty high to give a high quality value to the product? And once everybody is ready for that, they'll cut the price.

I think that it's just a question of high standing they wanna give to the product cause it's not possible that a blu ray movie costs twice the price than a dvd movie.

They just wanna hype their product I guess.

That doesn't make much sense, don't you think they'd drop the price if they could to attract more customers... Keeping the price high is turning down customers....

 



Tremble on 22 November 2008

I think it's turning them on. When you see something that you can't afford, you want it! And once it's cheaper, what do you do? You buy it even if you don't it, but the past high price gave you the impression that the product must be really good.