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Khuutra said:
NYANKS said:
Not meaning to be inflammatory, but I can understand third parties getting a mixed message when games like Carnival Games and Wii Sports/Play/Fit are among the best games on the console and games that are more "serious" seem to be missed, NMH, Okami, apparently COD: World at war.....

If Ninty changes their marketing a little, they could do a lot to dispel this, but they don't. And quite frankly, the only visibly hurt by this are some of the Wii consumers, so I can't fault them for continuing to push stuff like their Wii Series, Animal Crossing, and even Flash focus and brain Training for the DS.

 

GGHHKK-

 

All right, mouth-foaming over. Those three games you just named? Okami is a port of a two-year-old PS2 game, and actually sold about on level with the PS2 version! That is not a strong property in the first place.

No More Heroes is the best-selling game its studio ever produced. They are so happy with how it went. I am not even kidding.

All the Call of Duty fans own 360s and PS3s or gaming capable PCs.

Nintendo hardcore gamers do not want ports and watered down multiplats! We also want bombastic, high-budget super titles that are the best their studios produce. We reject the scraps, sir! We are not in need of charity, merely in need of being taken seriously, just once.

So with Call of Duty, your basically saying it is not suitable to the Wii because it is multiplat and not optimized for the Wii?  Can you exactly define an acceptable game for the Wii while excluding Call of Duty?  Its like your blaming the userbases of the other consoles for games not doing good on the Wii.

 



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NYANKS said:
Not meaning to be inflammatory, but I can understand third parties getting a mixed message when games like Carnival Games and Wii Sports/Play/Fit are among the best games on the console and games that are more "serious" seem to be missed, NMH, Okami, apparently COD: World at war.....

If Ninty changes their marketing a little, they could do a lot to dispel this, but they don't. And quite frankly, the only visibly hurt by this are some of the Wii consumers, so I can't fault them for continuing to push stuff like their Wii Series, Animal Crossing, and even Flash focus and brain Training for the DS.

Carnival Games is one of the best games on the console?

Also, the most "serious" game in the world is Brain Training, and it sells better than all your favorite games.

There are 3rd parties making amazing games for the Wii, and they are being rewarded with good sales, good reviews, and artistic credibility.  Anybody who disagrees has bad taste in games.



NYANKS said:
Khuutra said:
NYANKS said:
Not meaning to be inflammatory, but I can understand third parties getting a mixed message when games like Carnival Games and Wii Sports/Play/Fit are among the best games on the console and games that are more "serious" seem to be missed, NMH, Okami, apparently COD: World at war.....

If Ninty changes their marketing a little, they could do a lot to dispel this, but they don't. And quite frankly, the only visibly hurt by this are some of the Wii consumers, so I can't fault them for continuing to push stuff like their Wii Series, Animal Crossing, and even Flash focus and brain Training for the DS.

 

GGHHKK-

 

All right, mouth-foaming over. Those three games you just named? Okami is a port of a two-year-old PS2 game, and actually sold about on level with the PS2 version! That is not a strong property in the first place.

No More Heroes is the best-selling game its studio ever produced. They are so happy with how it went. I am not even kidding.

All the Call of Duty fans own 360s and PS3s or gaming capable PCs.

Nintendo hardcore gamers do not want ports and watered down multiplats! We also want bombastic, high-budget super titles that are the best their studios produce. We reject the scraps, sir! We are not in need of charity, merely in need of being taken seriously, just once.

So with Call of Duty, your basically saying it is not suitable to the Wii because it is multiplat and not optimized for the Wii?  Can you exactly define an acceptable game for the Wii while excluding Call of Duty?  Its like your blaming the userbases of the other consoles for games not doing good on the Wii.

If you are a serious fan of shooters, you own a 360 or a PS3 or a gaming capable PC. It's the way of the world. I'll own a 360 soon enough: it will be the second one I helped to buy. If I get Call of Duty, it will most probably be on there. This is true for more people who buy Call of Duty: they are going to own them one of the other consoles and will buy it there. World at War may end up performing very well for a shooter on the Wii, but yes, the fact that it is multiplatform is still going to hurt it. The Wii userbase generally doesn't cling to multiplats that obviously perform better on other systems.



Khuutra said:
NYANKS said:
Not meaning to be inflammatory, but I can understand third parties getting a mixed message when games like Carnival Games and Wii Sports/Play/Fit are among the best games on the console and games that are more "serious" seem to be missed, NMH, Okami, apparently COD: World at war.....

If Ninty changes their marketing a little, they could do a lot to dispel this, but they don't. And quite frankly, the only visibly hurt by this are some of the Wii consumers, so I can't fault them for continuing to push stuff like their Wii Series, Animal Crossing, and even Flash focus and brain Training for the DS.

 

GGHHKK-

 

All right, mouth-foaming over. Those three games you just named? Okami is a port of a two-year-old PS2 game, and actually sold about on level with the PS2 version! That is not a strong property in the first place.

No More Heroes is the best-selling game its studio ever produced. They are so happy with how it went. I am not even kidding.

All the Call of Duty fans own 360s and PS3s or gaming capable PCs.

Nintendo hardcore gamers do not want ports and watered down multiplats! We also want bombastic, high-budget super titles that are the best their studios produce. We reject the scraps, sir! We are not in need of charity, merely in need of being taken seriously, just once.

Wii owners won't get desert if they don't eat their greens.

COD WAW is one of those delicious vegetables. If mommy (Activision) doesn't see them eating that, then how could they possibly be hungry enough for desert.

 



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The Ghost of RubangB said:
NYANKS said:
Not meaning to be inflammatory, but I can understand third parties getting a mixed message when games like Carnival Games and Wii Sports/Play/Fit are among the best games on the console and games that are more "serious" seem to be missed, NMH, Okami, apparently COD: World at war.....

If Ninty changes their marketing a little, they could do a lot to dispel this, but they don't. And quite frankly, the only visibly hurt by this are some of the Wii consumers, so I can't fault them for continuing to push stuff like their Wii Series, Animal Crossing, and even Flash focus and brain Training for the DS.

Carnival Games is one of the best games on the console?

Also, the most "serious" game in the world is Brain Training, and it sells better than all your favorite games.

There are 3rd parties making amazing games for the Wii, and they are being rewarded with good sales, good reviews, and artistic credibility.  Anybody who disagrees has bad taste in games.

Sorry, I meant "best selling", not "best.  Also I put "serious" in quotation marks for a reason, I assumed people would understand that, apologies.  Among many gamers, Brain Training is not considered "hardcore" or whatever you want to say. Thats what I meant.  And for the third point I won't contradict but I would ask if you could name a few of them, five would be cool. Thanks.

 @ Rol, I dunno about the splitscreen, I'm one of the ones not interested in COD Wii ;) .



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Squilliam said:
Khuutra said:
NYANKS said:
Not meaning to be inflammatory, but I can understand third parties getting a mixed message when games like Carnival Games and Wii Sports/Play/Fit are among the best games on the console and games that are more "serious" seem to be missed, NMH, Okami, apparently COD: World at war.....

If Ninty changes their marketing a little, they could do a lot to dispel this, but they don't. And quite frankly, the only visibly hurt by this are some of the Wii consumers, so I can't fault them for continuing to push stuff like their Wii Series, Animal Crossing, and even Flash focus and brain Training for the DS.

 

GGHHKK-

 

All right, mouth-foaming over. Those three games you just named? Okami is a port of a two-year-old PS2 game, and actually sold about on level with the PS2 version! That is not a strong property in the first place.

No More Heroes is the best-selling game its studio ever produced. They are so happy with how it went. I am not even kidding.

All the Call of Duty fans own 360s and PS3s or gaming capable PCs.

Nintendo hardcore gamers do not want ports and watered down multiplats! We also want bombastic, high-budget super titles that are the best their studios produce. We reject the scraps, sir! We are not in need of charity, merely in need of being taken seriously, just once.

Wii owners won't get desert if they don't eat their greens.

COD WAW is one of those delicious vegetables. If mommy (Activision) doesn't see them eating that, then how could they possibly be hungry enough for desert.

 

 

Or we can skip the condescending metaphors and simply demand that one console be given equivalent treatment to the other two, especially when equivalent treatment is cheaper and has potentially greater returns.

We can do that.



RolStoppable said:
Okay, I looked it up, Cod WaW on Wii does not have any splitscreen modes at all. There's only that special co-op mode in which a second player only controls another gun.

It's beyond stupid to release a FPS on the Wii, THE local multiplayer console, without any possibilities for a local deathmatch.

 

See, that means I'm not buying it. And I practically look for excuses to bloat my library! That is inexcusable, and also insane.



RolStoppable said:
Okay, I looked it up, Cod WaW on Wii does not have any splitscreen modes at all. There's only that special co-op mode in which a second player only controls another gun.

It's beyond stupid to release a FPS on the Wii, THE local multiplayer console, without any possibilities for a local deathmatch.

 

 If this is really case then yes that is kinda crazy. If I were Ninty, I would have to get involved here. Take a hiatus from the normal Wii advertsing and push the "hardcoreness" of the Wii, or something.  The Wii is starting to get typecast worse than Linda Blair in the Exorcist.  But they really have no incentive, they are making money hand over fist.



Anyone really misses the support from the 3rd parties that "don`t get it"? They are Ubisoft, SE, THQ, Konami, Activision, EA. Most of their "AAA" franchises are not really worth playing. The only ones that could really help the Wii library are Namco and Capcom. But they are too busy working on crap that no one cares about or interesting games that will sell like shit (Bionic Commando, Eternal Sonata, Dead Rising CTYD, Tales of Vesperia).

The biggest difference between the HD fanboy and Wii fanboy is that the Wii one is more honest. He is not happy with the 3rd party support on the Wii, but that doesn`t mean that he would like the HD games to take its place. He refuses to pay more for less. The HD fanboys love to talk about the "AAA" exclusives, Metacritic average, next gen graphics and all sort of PR memes their limited intelect can grasp. The truth is that they keep getting inferior versions of best selling PS2 franchises with shorter campaigns and multiplayer features tacked on, not to mention that the games cost more and have bigger release gaps. Did I also mention that they suck compared to the older games?



Satan said:

"You are for ever angry, all you care about is intelligence, but I repeat again that I would give away all this superstellar life, all the ranks and honours, simply to be transformed into the soul of a merchant's wife weighing eighteen stone and set candles at God's shrine."

Khuutra said:
Squilliam said:
Khuutra said:
NYANKS said:
Not meaning to be inflammatory, but I can understand third parties getting a mixed message when games like Carnival Games and Wii Sports/Play/Fit are among the best games on the console and games that are more "serious" seem to be missed, NMH, Okami, apparently COD: World at war.....

If Ninty changes their marketing a little, they could do a lot to dispel this, but they don't. And quite frankly, the only visibly hurt by this are some of the Wii consumers, so I can't fault them for continuing to push stuff like their Wii Series, Animal Crossing, and even Flash focus and brain Training for the DS.

 

GGHHKK-

 

All right, mouth-foaming over. Those three games you just named? Okami is a port of a two-year-old PS2 game, and actually sold about on level with the PS2 version! That is not a strong property in the first place.

No More Heroes is the best-selling game its studio ever produced. They are so happy with how it went. I am not even kidding.

All the Call of Duty fans own 360s and PS3s or gaming capable PCs.

Nintendo hardcore gamers do not want ports and watered down multiplats! We also want bombastic, high-budget super titles that are the best their studios produce. We reject the scraps, sir! We are not in need of charity, merely in need of being taken seriously, just once.

Wii owners won't get desert if they don't eat their greens.

COD WAW is one of those delicious vegetables. If mommy (Activision) doesn't see them eating that, then how could they possibly be hungry enough for desert.

 

 

Or we can skip the condescending metaphors and simply demand that one console be given equivalent treatment to the other two, especially when equivalent treatment is cheaper and has potentially greater returns.

We can do that.

This is a real chicken/egg thing going on here. If COD WAW doesn't sell well, the chances that COD 5/6 (depending on who you ask) will be on the Wii will be slim - none.

See publishers are actually very conservative. They spend as little as they possibly on games unless the franchise is so strong they can justify the expenditure. Things like this have a flow on effect. Will games like Conduit see much marketing if COD WAW doesn't sell well? Will publishers even spend money trying to make innovative games when they know they hardly sell anyway and they can get better returns on releasing Nintendo knock-offs?

The actual talent in the industry is actually very limited. The issue isn't about where the publishers invest the bulk of their money/manpower its about where they can best invest the real talent they have. These are the people who make the real money in the industry and the people around them are just there to help make it happen.

 

 

 



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