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I dont believe a lot of things, I dont believe in the bible, I dont believe the crap that many priests talk. I think religion is just a way to make society behave by the way its leaders want them to. I dont think we are the special ones in the planet. We might as well fade away in time and another species will think they are the chosen ones.
But I believe that there might be something that started us and some sort of energy that makes the universe the way it is, and maybe there is something after death. If there is awesome, if there is not, I wont care since I cant feel anything, that way Im not afraid of fading in time. But I think things happen in cycles so maybe there could be something after.
Im still 18, so I have a lot of time to think about my beliefs.



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WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
puffy said:
The way I see it, religion is a way for people to fill the holes of their knowledge or explain what they can't explain..

i don't want to cause any flame wars but creation is a belief with no evidence to support it except a book a guy put together 1000 years after the stories were written..

So I just don't believe in that.. I also cannot follow something blindly.. so yah..

 

Creation has as much evidence as evolution.

There is still a missing link from monkey to man and until/if they find that link evolution will always remain a theory.

And plus creation doesn't necessarily mean that the Earth and humans were created in 7 days like it says in the Bible. The true meaning of it is that at some point humans were given a soul which distinctivly seperates us from animals. Evolution could be in fact true but what the true meaning of the Bible is, is that humans have a soul which gives us the ability to think and take decisions unlike animals who always follow their instinct.

You're a specist. You think animals don't have souls... Animals can choose as much as we can.

 

Agree, they just have a more limited brain. There is the same difference between a human a nd a dog that there is between a cat and a horse. My point is that we think we are some kind of chosen ones bu I dont think that way.

 



WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
You bet, there are just too many things that point towards the fact that a superior being exists to not believe. (To me anyways)

 

People always say this but rarely do I see any of them offer any argument that supports their claim logically.

 

How does something start from nothing?

 

There's always been something.

 

And what is that something?

 

Everything. The fact that everything is here is fact that it was somewhere sometime in the past. It didn't come out of a giant billy goats ass.

If everything has always been here then how does the Big Bang make any sense since The Big Bang theory clearly shows that before the Big Bang there was nothing?

Hmm, and I thought that the big bang theory was that everything was once got in such a superheated state that it was all one. It dispersed and that's how the layout of our universe was set.

"The Big Bang is the cosmological model of the universe that is best supported by all lines of scientific evidence and observation. As used by scientists, the term Big Bang generally refers to the idea that the universe has expanded from a primordial hot and dense initial condition at some finite time in the past, and continues to expand to this day"

(Wikipedia)

People often tie false claims with the big bang. Like first there was nothing, and then there was an explosion, and now there's everything. Simply not the case.

I don't fully believe the big bang happened though, as I don't fully believe in anything, even the actuality of reality. But, I brush aside my belief in nothing to enjoy live. I don't care how it came.

 

 

 

Big Bang Theory - Evidence for the Theory
What are the major evidences which support the Big Bang theory?

  • First of all, we are reasonably certain that the universe had a beginning.
  • Second, galaxies appear to be moving away from us at speeds proportional to their distance. This is called "Hubble's Law," named after Edwin Hubble (1889-1953) who discovered this phenomenon in 1929. This observation supports the expansion of the universe and suggests that the universe was once compacted.
  • Third, if the universe was initially very, very hot as the Big Bang suggests, we should be able to find some remnant of this heat. In 1965, Radioastronomers Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson discovered a 2.725 degree Kelvin (-454.765 degree Fahrenheit, -270.425 degree Celsius) Cosmic Microwave Background radiation (CMB) which pervades the observable universe. This is thought to be the remnant which scientists were looking for. Penzias and Wilson shared in the 1978 Nobel Prize for Physics for their discovery.
  • Finally, the abundance of the "light elements" Hydrogen and Helium found in the observable universe are thought to support the Big Bang model of origins.

 

 

The early hot, dense phase is itself referred to as "the Big Bang",[21] and is considered the "birth" of our universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang



There isn't enough evidence for the big bang, same as with the bible and any religion on the planet..

We do have enough evidence for evolution and just having completed my biology and genetics course I can tell you that 'the missing link' makes no sense if you've actually researched or learnt about the hominin fossils that have been found..

The problem is that scientists can't agree on the order due to more than one homo species existing at the same time in some cases..

With that aside I'd like you to answer me this..

The Homo genus evolved through speciation to have bigger brains, Homo sapiens have the largest frontal lobes which allows us to think logically, again medically proven, and only homo sapiens and homo neandathalians (spelling?) were actually the ones to bury their dead and cave paint and actually seek bonds with others of the opposite sex

What does a 'soul' have to do with your frontal lobes? Perhaps a soul is there and it gives us something but you can't say it gives us the will to marry etc



 

hsrob said:
Theory must precede evidence, but for many, belief and evidence are essentially the same thing and i'm not just talking in regards to God.

 

Certainly; an axiom must be used to be able to say anything.  To assert our observations and interpretations of "the universe" are, at least, generally reliable is no less an assumption then positing anything outside of the physical realm.



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cool48 said:
WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
WessleWoggle said:
cool48 said:
You bet, there are just too many things that point towards the fact that a superior being exists to not believe. (To me anyways)

 

People always say this but rarely do I see any of them offer any argument that supports their claim logically.

 

How does something start from nothing?

 

There's always been something.

 

And what is that something?

 

Everything. The fact that everything is here is fact that it was somewhere sometime in the past. It didn't come out of a giant billy goats ass.

If everything has always been here then how does the Big Bang make any sense since The Big Bang theory clearly shows that before the Big Bang there was nothing?

This is wrong.  The Big Bang theory states that knowledge of time and matter before the Big Bang and the physical laws that governed them are unknowable and have no direct influence on our universe and universal laws that exist now, not that nothing existed prior.

Just because many people may not be able to understand the intricies and complexities of a theory like the Big Bang doesn't make it untrue.  Layperson's logic told us for centuries that the world was flat despite the fact that there were mathematicians in about 450 B.C. that proved using relatively simple maths that the world was in fact round.  Yet the idea persisted in western countries for close to 2 millenia because most people couldn't 'see for themselves'.



hsrob said:Just because many people may not be able to understand the intricies and complexities of a theory like the Big Bang doesn't make it untrue.  Layperson's logic told us for centuries that the world was flat despite the fact that there were mathematicians in about 450 B.C. that proved using relatively simple maths that the world was in fact round.  Yet the idea persisted in western countries for close to 2 millenia because most people couldn't 'see for themselves'.

I believe you are confusing flat-earth theory with the geocentrism/heliocentrism debate. Most Westerners believed in spherical earth. Many, however, doubted the idea of heliocentrism.

 



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cool48 said:
puffy said:
The way I see it, religion is a way for people to fill the holes of their knowledge or explain what they can't explain..

i don't want to cause any flame wars but creation is a belief with no evidence to support it except a book a guy put together 1000 years after the stories were written..

So I just don't believe in that.. I also cannot follow something blindly.. so yah..

 

Creation has as much evidence as evolution.

There is still a missing link from monkey to man and until/if they find that link evolution will always remain a theory.

And plus creation doesn't necessarily mean that the Earth and humans were created in 7 days like it says in the Bible. The true meaning of it is that at some point humans were given a soul which distinctivly seperates us from animals. Evolution could be in fact true but what the true meaning of the Bible is, is that humans have a soul which gives us the ability to think and take decisions unlike animals who always follow their instinct.

They have recently proven exactly which chromosomes changed and combined and how.



I don't believe in God. I cannot commit to a theory that isn't tested and quantified. That however doesn't mean I don't find Christianity a fascinating subject and the concept alluring. It along with the Greeks and Romans did largely shape the western world after all.

There's too much science and philosophical discussion for me to wholly believe in anything. A truly intelligent person admits just how little they know of the universe. A theology that says it has all the answers isn't to be trusted.