Crap, I can't believe I even debating this, but after this last statement I have say something.  Do you know how many PS2 are out there right now?  It was one of the hottest consoles in history, bar none.  But the price is what help make it so.  At the time of the PS2 launch, the Dreamcast was down to $199.  I actually bought one because I wasn't able to get a PS2 at launch.  And in the end, I chucked the Dreamcast so fast when I got my PS2 and was having Madden tournments for months.  The main reason, cause it wasn't nothing else to play on the system (IMO) for almost a half a year.  Nothing but Madden and DOA2 and I was still happy with it then the Dreamcast.  The PS2 actually cured me of my Everquest addiction (unfortunately WoW came along and voided me three years of my life). 

So when I say if the PS3 launched even at $400 for the 60 gig, it would have done a lot better and then what it has done now.  It has been a trickle down effect ever since.  $600 for a launch PS3 = Good place for Nintendo's $250 Wii = MS decent looking price = Not enough brand loyalty to pay a high price for system = Lack of developers wanting to develop for such smaller user base with a huge learning curve = more time for the 360 and the Wii to get a bigger user base = Wii madness takes effect = XBox able to launch its big titles = Sony rush titles to catch up with the competition ( Motorstorm, Lair, Heavenly Sword) and delayed others (MGS4, LBP, GT5, Home)  and lose many exclusives.  You get the picture.  To this day, I say if the PS3 was launched at $300 to $400 price point, they would be neck and neck with 360 (especially with RROD that was happening) and the Wii would not have blown up like it did in the first year.  People would have blindly bought a PS3 with B/C simply because of the strength of PS2 name.  But not for $600 because of Blu Ray and a cell processor.  

Like I said in the other post, thanks Ken Kutaragi and Execs at Sony.  Better luck next console.

Killzone 2 can be done on 360.

Trust me Leo, Sony never thought a $600 would dominate.
Given their start, they have to be really happy with where they are at right now.

When Sony makes their move, the world will know, and it will have a greater effect than if they had "countered" Microsoft's fire sale.

You and Darth seem to get a little melodramatic concerning the PS3 at periodic intervals.

It is the best, and in time will sell like it.

I think what most people miss is that even if they didn't screw things up, things wouldn't be that much better.

It's possible they could've dropped BluRay, built a 360-like machine and pushed all their devs onto the PS3 early (direct GoW2 to the PS3, for example). No matter what they did, the Wii would still trounce them and the 360 still starts with a 5mil+ lead selling tons of software (GeoW vs PS3). Sure, if they did everything perfectly, things would have played out a little better, but the same could be said about 360 and RRoD.

Yep. Sony had about a year of one bad blunder after another. They were out of touch with their console design, were arrogant in the way they presented it, arrogant in the way they priced it,  arrogant in dealing with 3rd parties, and ludicrous in their denials that anything was wrong.

Had Sony come out with a cheaper, more efficient console from the start, even one underpowered compared to the 360, it still might not have managed to outcompete the Wii, but it almost certainly would not be in a distant 3rd place either.

I really don't understand Sony marketing. I was watching football tonight and a PS3 commercial was shown. The only thing that was in the commercial was a reflection of Rachet in a window. Why the bloody hell are they promoting Rachet when LBP is the game they are trying to sell right now? It makes no sense.

I thought PS3 fans were happy their favorite sold poorly. Something about being the "Mercedes" of gaming?

Actually, I don't understand it when they show LBP during sports games...

The problems is one of philosophy. Years before Sony even launched the PS3 they were following the wrong philosophy. There is a great wisdom in doing one thing at a time, and doing it well. Do what you are doing with integrity, and with a sense of purpose. Better yourself rather then preying upon others. Sony did none of these things. They had become the ugliest of conglomerates.

The PS3 became a bastard child born from cross divisional affection. Everyone put their hand in the pie. Sometimes their wants were totally out of line with what the console actually needed, and more often then not they were at cross purposes. This has been explained at length. Needless to say the goal was not to build the next generation of the console. The goal was to build a product that could sell everything that needed market penetration. The loyal consumer be damned they were to be enslaved.

Which leads into integrity and purpose. The upper echelon at Sony has little of these. When you have no respect for the consumer, and are actually predatory towards your fellow executives it is of little wonder that your aimless, and lack a moral compass. Which is a truly poor way to run a company, but these guys aren't happy pissing on the door to the corner office marking their territory. Oh no they want to share their misanthropic view on the rest of humanity through bad acts.

Sony has no morality clause that I have been able to see. Their executives blatantly lie to consumers, media, and probably investors. They are quick to fleece, and rarely admit to their misdeeds. They even engage in criminal activity in the name of Sony. That is how god awful the supervision has actually become. So its no wonder they sabotaged the PS3 through their own self serving nonsense. This behavior also poisoned the water. Screw enough consumers, and your going to find yourself with a legion of enemies.

So we have self serving, misanthropic bastards running the divisions. You can see how these guys are bound to run whatever they get their hands on right into the ground. Well if you cannot better yourself its well worth the money to buy someone better. Then run them into the ground, and use the money you made off them to buy someone else, and run them into the ground. This works fantastically as long as the money holds out, or until your division is bloated with non performers.

The problem wasn't that Sony shot themselves in the foot. The problem was that they were drunk on excesses long before they got around to mutilating their next console. The bottom line is that the executives at Sony are accountable, but more to the point they should have been reigned in years ago before they savaged everything.

leo-j you might need this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ajYw1bdSc