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Max King of the Wild on 13 November 2008

When are the statements suppose to release?



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Dianko on 13 November 2008
Max King of the Wild said:
Dianko said:
kutasek said:
The problem is, we don't know if they tracked LBP, unofficial week. If they were, than it is disappointing being outsold by socom.

Of course it's tracked. If it was sold, it would be entered into the database as a sale, early or not. They're not gonna simply sell it without any data being recorded into whatever retailers system.

 

 

 Uh... the problem here is that only a few stores broke release date. Who is to say that NPD recieved data from those stores? NPD gets data from a certain % of retailers then expands the numbers that they think the rest of the market would be. It's not like NPD has control of retailers data base.

Also I think Sony is confused with this recall along with retailers... whos to say trackers arent confused as well

I was never arguing that NPD isn't getting the full picture. I was stating that sales will tracked for LBP, whether it was unofficial or not. How that reflects on NPD, I don't know. But I was simply stating that retailers will track all sales, they don't do business under the table.

 



jasonnc80 on 13 November 2008

Anybody released the individual console numbers for GH:WT and not "across all platforms"??? Curious as to how it did between the 3 current systems.



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Max King of the Wild on 13 November 2008
Dianko said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Dianko said:
kutasek said:
The problem is, we don't know if they tracked LBP, unofficial week. If they were, than it is disappointing being outsold by socom.

Of course it's tracked. If it was sold, it would be entered into the database as a sale, early or not. They're not gonna simply sell it without any data being recorded into whatever retailers system.

 

 

 Uh... the problem here is that only a few stores broke release date. Who is to say that NPD recieved data from those stores? NPD gets data from a certain % of retailers then expands the numbers that they think the rest of the market would be. It's not like NPD has control of retailers data base.

Also I think Sony is confused with this recall along with retailers... whos to say trackers arent confused as well

I was never arguing that NPD isn't getting the full picture. I was stating that sales will tracked for LBP, whether it was unofficial or not. How that reflects on NPD, I don't know. But I was simply stating that retailers will track all sales, they don't do business under the table.

 

 

 And my point was the the hectic release is leaving retailers confused which would leave NPD confused.

Also it won't be tracked if NPD doesn't get any sales data for it.



BKK2 on 13 November 2008

Source for numbers already posted:

[All] Guitar Hero World Tour: 534,000
[Wii] Wii Music: 81,000

LTD:

[All] Rock Band 2: 600,000

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Gobias on 13 November 2008

I'll admit that was a pretty horrible month for the PS3.



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BKK2 on 13 November 2008
Max King of the Wild said:
Dianko said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Dianko said:
kutasek said:
The problem is, we don't know if they tracked LBP, unofficial week. If they were, than it is disappointing being outsold by socom.

Of course it's tracked. If it was sold, it would be entered into the database as a sale, early or not. They're not gonna simply sell it without any data being recorded into whatever retailers system.

 

 

 Uh... the problem here is that only a few stores broke release date. Who is to say that NPD recieved data from those stores? NPD gets data from a certain % of retailers then expands the numbers that they think the rest of the market would be. It's not like NPD has control of retailers data base.

Also I think Sony is confused with this recall along with retailers... whos to say trackers arent confused as well

I was never arguing that NPD isn't getting the full picture. I was stating that sales will tracked for LBP, whether it was unofficial or not. How that reflects on NPD, I don't know. But I was simply stating that retailers will track all sales, they don't do business under the table.

 

 

 And my point was the the hectic release is leaving retailers confused which would leave NPD confused.

Also it won't be tracked if NPD doesn't get any sales data for it.

The SKU will still get tracked by the EPOS regardless of if it was sold before or after the official release date. We often see games with broken street dates in PAL charts before the official release, it certainly doesn't confuse the retailers EPOS systems.

 



Max King of the Wild on 13 November 2008
BKK2 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Dianko said:
Max King of the Wild said:
Dianko said:
kutasek said:
The problem is, we don't know if they tracked LBP, unofficial week. If they were, than it is disappointing being outsold by socom.

Of course it's tracked. If it was sold, it would be entered into the database as a sale, early or not. They're not gonna simply sell it without any data being recorded into whatever retailers system.

 

 

 Uh... the problem here is that only a few stores broke release date. Who is to say that NPD recieved data from those stores? NPD gets data from a certain % of retailers then expands the numbers that they think the rest of the market would be. It's not like NPD has control of retailers data base.

Also I think Sony is confused with this recall along with retailers... whos to say trackers arent confused as well

I was never arguing that NPD isn't getting the full picture. I was stating that sales will tracked for LBP, whether it was unofficial or not. How that reflects on NPD, I don't know. But I was simply stating that retailers will track all sales, they don't do business under the table.

 

 

 And my point was the the hectic release is leaving retailers confused which would leave NPD confused.

Also it won't be tracked if NPD doesn't get any sales data for it.

The SKU will still get tracked by the EPOS regardless of if it was sold before or after the official release date. We often see games with broken street dates in PAL charts before the official release, it certainly doesn't confuse the retailers EPOS systems.

 

 

 But does NPD get the data from the stores that broke the date? Yes it would still be recorded for the store obviously but the only way NPD gets the sale is if they get the data.



Max King of the Wild on 13 November 2008

"as some Walmarts broke the street date for Little Big Planet, and both VGC and NPD had to estimate how many copies sold."



CrazzyMan on 13 November 2008

On LBP.

http://www.vgchartz.com/games/game.php?id=12778&region=All

Number -------- Japan America Others Total
Week 1 -------- 16,494 35,097 85,100 136,691
Year 1(almost) 0.06m 0.78m 1.11m 1.95m



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far