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@Onyx: I guess what people are trying to say is that Nintendo has in fact decreased their releases from 2007 to 2008, and 2009 is looking to be even poorer, with only S&P2 and PunchOut planned for release.

I think that 2010 will be the year of the Nintendo games, 2009 maybe be the slowest year ever going by 1st party releases, and I'm telling you that 2008 was a really slow year.



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@ Onyxmeth

Good list, but I don't understand why you didn't include Ken Griffey, but there is Mario Golf, Sluggers and Strikers ?

Anyway, this list just shows that the number of games is quite similar, so Nintendo is not the one to blame but third party support.



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trestres said:

@Onyx: I guess what people are trying to say is that Nintendo has in fact decreased their releases from 2007 to 2008, and 2009 is looking to be even poorer, with only S&P2 and PunchOut planned for release.

I think that 2010 will be the year of the Nintendo games, 2009 maybe be the slowest year ever going by 1st party releases, and I'm telling you that 2008 was a really slow year.

Ok fine. You are correct. Nintendo front loaded the first year which caused the second year to look comparitively weak. It sucks. Something obviously got delayed behind the scenes. I guarantee you that Punch-Out and Sin and Punishment 2 will not be even close to how many Nintendo published games come out next year. If 2008 is this poorly put together with a quantity of Nintendo games, then that means 2009 will be another good to stellar year, just like 2007 was. Nintendo has too many teams for nothing to come out of them in 2009, considering that PO and S&P2 are not first party games, but second party.

 



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Soma said:
@ Onyxmeth

Good list, but I don't understand why you didn't include Ken Griffey, but there is Mario Golf, Sluggers and Strikers ?

Anyway, this list just shows that the number of games is quite similar, so Nintendo is not the one to blame but third party support.

It's nothing personal. I love licensed sports games. It's other people that don't find them to matter at all in the scheme of things. They don't get GOTY nominations, nobody here I have seen have had one on their favorite games list, they get regurgitated with yearly updates that tend to negate the previous year's game from mattering, and when they do get included, someone comes in and says they don't matter.

The reason the Mario branded games get counted is because it's Mario and that automatically makes it more appealing to this mystical "core Nintendo gamer". It's not science, it's just what I observe here. If you want to include them, add one more second party game to the GC list and three more second party games to the N64 list.

 



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Onyxmeth said:
Soma said:
@ Onyxmeth

Good list, but I don't understand why you didn't include Ken Griffey, but there is Mario Golf, Sluggers and Strikers ?

Anyway, this list just shows that the number of games is quite similar, so Nintendo is not the one to blame but third party support.

It's nothing personal. I love licensed sports games. It's other people that don't find them to matter at all in the scheme of things. They don't get GOTY nominations, nobody here I have seen have had one on their favorite games list, they get regurgitated with yearly updates that tend to negate the previous year's game from mattering, and when they do get included, someone comes in and says they don't matter.

The reason the Mario branded games get counted is because it's Mario and that automatically makes it more appealing to this mystical "core Nintendo gamer". It's not science, it's just what I observe here. If you want to include them, add one more second party game to the GC list and three more second party games to the N64 list.

 

Still the Wii would be at the top tied with the N64, so you got a point.

 



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Onyxmeth said:
trestres said:

@Onyx: I guess what people are trying to say is that Nintendo has in fact decreased their releases from 2007 to 2008, and 2009 is looking to be even poorer, with only S&P2 and PunchOut planned for release.

I think that 2010 will be the year of the Nintendo games, 2009 maybe be the slowest year ever going by 1st party releases, and I'm telling you that 2008 was a really slow year.

Ok fine. You are correct. Nintendo front loaded the first year which caused the second year to look comparitively weak. It sucks. Something obviously got delayed behind the scenes. I guarantee you that Punch-Out and Sin and Punishment 2 will not be even close to how many Nintendo published games come out next year. If 2008 is this poorly put together with a quantity of Nintendo games, then that means 2009 will be another good to stellar year, just like 2007 was. Nintendo has too many teams for nothing to come out of them in 2009, considering that PO and S&P2 are not first party games, but second party.

 

 

I don't know, as you said all games coming out next year are this: Wii Sports Resort (first party), Punch-Out (third party), S&P (Third Party), the GC Ports, which IMO shouldn't be counted. I strongly believe Nintendo didn't think Wii was gonna be successful therefore they didn't start making games again up until this year. As we know good games take up to 2 years, so Nintendo might be asking us to be patient and wait 1 - 2 more years until we see new games. Probably that's why their line up is so poor and sad next year, even worse in Europe. Japan is getting all the goodies though, about 15 Nintendo published games. And still there in Japan, only Wii Sports Resort is a first party game.



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trestres said:
Onyxmeth said:
trestres said:

@Onyx: I guess what people are trying to say is that Nintendo has in fact decreased their releases from 2007 to 2008, and 2009 is looking to be even poorer, with only S&P2 and PunchOut planned for release.

I think that 2010 will be the year of the Nintendo games, 2009 maybe be the slowest year ever going by 1st party releases, and I'm telling you that 2008 was a really slow year.

Ok fine. You are correct. Nintendo front loaded the first year which caused the second year to look comparitively weak. It sucks. Something obviously got delayed behind the scenes. I guarantee you that Punch-Out and Sin and Punishment 2 will not be even close to how many Nintendo published games come out next year. If 2008 is this poorly put together with a quantity of Nintendo games, then that means 2009 will be another good to stellar year, just like 2007 was. Nintendo has too many teams for nothing to come out of them in 2009, considering that PO and S&P2 are not first party games, but second party.

 

 

I don't know, as you said all games coming out next year are this: Wii Sports Resort (first party), Punch-Out (third party), S&P (Third Party), the GC Ports, which IMO shouldn't be counted. I strongly believe Nintendo didn't think Wii was gonna be successful therefore they didn't start making games again up until this year. As we know good games take up to 2 years, so Nintendo might be asking us to be patient and wait 1 - 2 more years until we see new games. Probably that's why their line up is so poor and sad next year, even worse in Europe. Japan is getting all the goodies though, about 15 Nintendo published games. And still there in Japan, only Wii Sports Resort is a first party game.

Your ignorance is baffling me trestres. How do you explain the front loaded first year if Nintendo had no faith in the Wii? Nintendo has never stopped developing for any of their consoles, regardless of how hopeless hardware sales were. Even Gamecube was getting titles pushed into America as late as 2005 and 2006. Your logic isn't making sense. You're basically saying Nintendo has continued to pay hundreds of people on their teams to sit on their asses and wait until Nintendo gives them the go ahead to make more games. What were they doing in the meantime, playing mahjong in the break room every day? Do you realize how crazy you sound when you make these conspiracies up?

 

 



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I dispute Pilot Wings, Mario Party 5, Wii Sports, and Mario Party 8.
IMO Gamecube stated off the best. 2001-2004 was great. Then it kind of died. N64 was fantastic in 1998, with some good stuff throughout. 2007 was great for Wii, and this year has been pretty bad other than Brawl and Okami (imo) I think the Wii will come in waves- flood of greateness, back off ect. We already know that Pikmin 3 and Little King's story are coming next year, and its probably that Pimin GC port, Sin and Punsishment 2, Punch Out, Super Mario Galaxy 2, Kid Icarus, Starfox, and F-Zero are coming as well.
Also for the Wii list, I think Mario Kart Wii is more of a bridge title, the same way Animal Crossing city folk will be. It isn't casual by any means, but it isn't really "core" either.



@Onyx: I may be in denial, but Nintendo is to blame :D

I honestly don't know, their announcement policies got me mad. Perhaps its true and Nintendo does indeed have people working on more games, but perhaps no. Anyways with such a slow year like 2008, one should have expected to see at least a bit more of what they have in the works, if they actually do have something. I would say I'm not talking crap if someone could show me the opposite.

I kept on hearing Ninty fans that 2008 would be THE year of the Wii, but Nintendo didn't deliver that much. I simply hope that by 2010 Nintendo would have made their act together and finally start launching games for the Wii.



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trestres said:
@Onyx: I may be in denial, but Nintendo is to blame :D

I honestly don't know, their announcement policies got me mad. Perhaps its true and Nintendo does indeed have people working on more games, but perhaps no. Anyways with such a slow year like 2008, one should have expected to see at least a bit more of what they have in the works, if they actually do have something. I would say I'm not talking crap if someone could show me the opposite.

I kept on hearing Ninty fans that 2008 would be THE year of the Wii, but Nintendo didn't deliver that much. I simply hope that by 2010 Nintendo would have made their act together and finally start launching games for the Wii.

No one needs to show you the opposite. You know what you need to know about Nintendo's 2009 schedule, which is the first quarter. Nintendo made it public that they will not unveil games until they are ready to show them off, and that means you probably aren't going to see the Fall schedule until e3. Deal with it.

You still haven't answered why in God's name you would think that Nintendo would pay developers to sit on their asses and do nothing but wait for their time to make games again. If Nintendo really stopped game development altogether, they would have fired lots of people at once. Those kinds of things make the news. There was no news, so there was no mass firings, so there are still games being made. Miyamoto already let slip that Pikmin is coming, that the Mario team is working on something(probably the next Mario) and the Zelda team is working(definitely the next Zelda, they don't do anything else).

 



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