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akuma587 on 11 November 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
Actually, his campaign didn't really matter that much. The media was giving all attention to either how awesome they thought obama was, or how much they though palin sucked.

McCain wouldn't have got much attention no matter what he did.

Did you forget how the McCain has been the media's favorite son for the past 15 years?  McCain has always been given incredibly generous coverage by the media, and is viewed favorably by most liberals, including myself.

Maybe its the fact that McCain turned his back on his own history as a different kind of politician that led to the sour media coverage.  A guy who detested narrow attack ads was putting a new one out every week.  Should the media just ignore that McCain had completely flip-flopped on this?  People criticized Obama for renigging on public financing, so why should McCain be similarly free from abandoning his promise of running an open and honest campaign?

The liberal media argument is a tired one and it won't work for McCain.  McCain has always gotten great treatment from the media.  Turning his campaign into such a negative one is why the coverage of McCain turned when there were much bigger problems the country was facing.

 



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Kasz216 on 11 November 2008
akuma587 said:
Ron Paul had quite a few good ideas, and I agreed with him more than any other of the Republican candidates. But, nothing against Libertarians, he was taking a good principle too far. But I am a firm believer that both the Democrats and the Republicans could learn from the Libertarians.

But what is up with Ron Paul being against gay marriage? The gays weren't catching a break from anyone this election.

 

Short answer.

He's not against Gay Marriage.  He is however against any federal law that allows gay marriage because he belives marriage as a whole is a states right and we should get rid of marriage as a federally recognized institution.



theRepublic on 11 November 2008
Moongoddess256 said:
LOL @ Ron Paul

All I had to do was direct his supporters to his own website and they changed their minds about him pretty quickly.

I switched my support after visiting his website.  Those YouTube videos made Ron Paul look great.  Too bad it wasn't the case.



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DMeisterJ on 11 November 2008

So Palin isn't that stupid.



LordTheNightKnight on 11 November 2008

"Did you forget how the McCain has been the media's favorite son for the past 15 years? McCain has always been given incredibly generous coverage by the media, and is viewed favorably by most liberals, including myself."

He was, but since the Media turned on Palin, they also turned against McCain. There are a couple studies that prove that.

Their past views on him don't change the fact of what they did recently.



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Jackson50 on 11 November 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Did you forget how the McCain has been the media's favorite son for the past 15 years? McCain has always been given incredibly generous coverage by the media, and is viewed favorably by most liberals, including myself."

He was, but since the Media turned on Palin, they also turned against McCain. There are a couple studies that prove that.

Their past views on him don't change the fact of what they did recently.

FNC and MSNBC were the only televison stations with, in my opinion, any discernable bias. For the most part, I found most mainstream media sources to be fairly disinterested.

 



The Ghost of RubangB on 11 November 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Did you forget how the McCain has been the media's favorite son for the past 15 years? McCain has always been given incredibly generous coverage by the media, and is viewed favorably by most liberals, including myself."

He was, but since the Media turned on Palin, they also turned against McCain. There are a couple studies that prove that.

Their past views on him don't change the fact of what they did recently.

I guess a lot of reporters who were insulted by the Palin media blackout blamed it on McCain and that's why/when/how they turned on him?



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akuma587 on 12 November 2008
The Ghost of RubangB said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Did you forget how the McCain has been the media's favorite son for the past 15 years? McCain has always been given incredibly generous coverage by the media, and is viewed favorably by most liberals, including myself."

He was, but since the Media turned on Palin, they also turned against McCain. There are a couple studies that prove that.

Their past views on him don't change the fact of what they did recently.

I guess a lot of reporters who were insulted by the Palin media blackout blamed it on McCain and that's why/when/how they turned on him?

Not to mention the amount of interviews and other events McCain turned down because he was either pouting or off fixing the economic crisis.  His campaign during several different occasions declared war on the media.

If anybody triggered the bad coverage of McCain by the media, it was McCain, as Rubang astutely pointed out.  Once again, the liberal media argument is like beating a dead horse.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

The Ghost of RubangB on 12 November 2008

It was basically snuffing David Letterman that lost McCain the election.



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akuma587 on 12 November 2008

Letterman's comments that night that McCain didn't show up were so funny...and one of the reasons McCain was getting bad coverage was because he was making reckless decisions, like suspending his campaign to rush into Washington and help pass the bailout, which ironically failed the first time. His shoot-from-the-hip strategy completely backfired in the eyes of the American people.

There were many reports that it made the negotiations even more difficult when McCain suspended his campaign and showed up rather than making them smoother.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson