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akuma587 said:
elprincipe said:
It's sad, although not unexpected, that a "post-partisan/bipartisan" President-elect Obama has chosen one of the most vicious partisan hacks in the House of Representatives as his chief of staff. What next, Barbara Boxer for EPA? Jim McDermott for Defense? Jim Moran for HUD? I can't wait to see what hypocrisy surfaces next, or on second thought maybe I can.

Policy-wise, Mr. Emanuel has fashioned himself as a "New Democrat" in the Clinton mold. He has long been an advocate of governing from the center, reaching across the aisle to seek consensus. As a Clinton adviser, he championed welfare reform and free trade. He's even called for a flatter, less progressive system of taxation. As a congressman, Mr. Emanuel supported the Bush administration's decision to remove Saddam Hussein, though he subsequently criticized the president's management of the war in Iraq.

So I asked Mr. Emanuel if the election of an unabashed liberal like Mr. Obama has made the New Democrat strategy obsolete. Perhaps what we witnessed on Tuesday means that liberalism is ascendant and the U.S. is no longer a center-right nation. "I think the country is incredibly pragmatic," he responded. "Pragmatic and progressive. But you still have to mix and match different approaches to reach your objectives. You have to be flexible."

Doesn't exactly look like he is your rank and file Congressman to me.

 

To be fair.  Bush advocated himself as a uniter and not a Divider.

As for advocating Free Trade... there aren't many people who don't anymore excpet for the occasional democrat who has to win his seat in the Erie states.

They just all do what Obama does.  Talk a big game about caring then when he's out of town say they overexagerated on their promises or just don't adress it at all.

 



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akuma587 said:
elprincipe said:
akuma587 said:
elprincipe said:
It's sad, although not unexpected, that a "post-partisan/bipartisan" President-elect Obama has chosen one of the most vicious partisan hacks in the House of Representatives as his chief of staff. What next, Barbara Boxer for EPA? Jim McDermott for Defense? Jim Moran for HUD? I can't wait to see what hypocrisy surfaces next, or on second thought maybe I can.

I guess you also missed that Obama plans on keeping the current Secretary of Defense, at least until Robert Gates chooses to retire.  He wants to voluntarily retire probably within the next year as he feels he is "Too old for this shit" (his own words, he's a Lethal Weapon fan).

Oh wait, you probably never even looked.

 

 

Actually that's not determined yet.  There is some thought he might keep Gates, who after all has done a fantastic job and moved the department from a highly partisan target under Rumsfeld to bipartisan consensus where it should be in most cases.  But this has nothing to do with Emanuel, and I don't appreciate the insipid comment at the end which stupidly and lamely attempts to paint me as a blind partisan.

Well you did make the assumption that every one one of Obama's other appointments would be a partisan one.  Hell, there is a decent chance he will appoint Colin Powell as the Secretary of the Department of Education.  Its a little early to start pissing in the well.

It has everything to do with your assumption that Obama has turned into a recalcitrant liberal as soon as he got elected though.  If you were aware of that Gates might stay on why did you even mention the Department of Defense?  I mean you are blaming Obama for his intentions when he has already manifested an intention that is counter to the one you are claiming he has.

 

The problem with many people, including yourself in this and other posts, is that once someone expresses an opinion you assume that certain things follow from that opinion instead of actually reading what is written.  I expressed wonder at hypocrisy and wondered what hypocrisy would follow, but I never said anything about an "assumption that every one of Obama's other appointments would be a partisan one."  That is your quote, not mine, and I'll thank you to not speak for me or tell me what I said when it's not what I said.

Similarly, you assume again in your second paragraph that since I have a certain opinion about Rahm Emanuel that "Obama has turned into a recalcitrant liberal."  Again that is what you said, not me.  See a pattern?

This is why I despise partisans so much, because they assume that everyone else is a partisan (kind of like fanboys, come to think of it), and thus assume that because they hold one position or opinion they hew to the orthodoxy of every conservative or liberal position.  As we see in your example, because I express a knowledgeable viewpoint that doesn't adhere to your liberal viewpoint, you assume I have a down-the-line conservative viewpoint.  I guess it's the only option since you can't argue with me about Emanuel other than to point to the recent fawning articles (again, designed to ingratiate reporters with the new chief of staff).

 



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elprincipe said:

The problem with many people, including yourself in this and other posts, is that once someone expresses an opinion you assume that certain things follow from that opinion instead of actually reading what is written.  I expressed wonder at hypocrisy and wondered what hypocrisy would follow, but I never said anything about an "assumption that every one of Obama's other appointments would be a partisan one."  That is your quote, not mine, and I'll thank you to not speak for me or tell me what I said when it's not what I said.

Similarly, you assume again in your second paragraph that since I have a certain opinion about Rahm Emanuel that "Obama has turned into a recalcitrant liberal."  Again that is what you said, not me.  See a pattern?

This is why I despise partisans so much, because they assume that everyone else is a partisan (kind of like fanboys, come to think of it), and thus assume that because they hold one position or opinion they hew to the orthodoxy of every conservative or liberal position.  As we see in your example, because I express a knowledgeable viewpoint that doesn't adhere to your liberal viewpoint, you assume I have a down-the-line conservative viewpoint.  I guess it's the only option since you can't argue with me about Emanuel other than to point to the recent fawning articles (again, designed to ingratiate reporters with the new chief of staff).

 

I'm just gonna repost what you said:

elprincipe said:

"It's sad, although not unexpected, that a "post-partisan/bipartisan" President-elect Obama has chosen one of the most vicious partisan hacks in the House of Representatives as his chief of staff. What next, Barbara Boxer for EPA? Jim McDermott for Defense? Jim Moran for HUD? I can't wait to see what hypocrisy surfaces next, or on second thought maybe I can."

I never claimed you were a partisan or even a conservative.  Hell, you could have supported Hillary Clinton for all I know.  And where in your posts is there any kind of information you are posting to support your viewpoint?  I can claim my position is knowledgeable because I read other sources too.  But its not like that does any good if I don't bring any information to the table.  Just because you said it I should automatically take you at your word?

The original post had no inflammatory language in it whatsoever.  You come in and tear the choice apart without providing any information whatsoever to support your claim.  You accuse me of acting like a partisan or a fanboy when you obviously came into the thread with little intention of encouraging a debate based on facts, since you didn't provide any.  That's like me posting an article about a video game, you coming in and saying the video game sucks and that the developer has turned into a piece of shit yet you say very little about the actual game itself.  Then you get mad when someone responds to your inflammatory post in an inflammatory way?  That is hypocrisy.

Its not about whether or not you are a partisan, its about whether or not you make claims with evidence to support them.  You act like you have done no wrong here, and are misdirecting all the blame back to me.  You came into the thread with nothing constructive to say yet you blame me for saying something about it.  Its like starting a fight with someone who did nothing to you and then pissing and moaning when they hit you back.

 



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akuma587 said:
elprincipe said:

The problem with many people, including yourself in this and other posts, is that once someone expresses an opinion you assume that certain things follow from that opinion instead of actually reading what is written.  I expressed wonder at hypocrisy and wondered what hypocrisy would follow, but I never said anything about an "assumption that every one of Obama's other appointments would be a partisan one."  That is your quote, not mine, and I'll thank you to not speak for me or tell me what I said when it's not what I said.

Similarly, you assume again in your second paragraph that since I have a certain opinion about Rahm Emanuel that "Obama has turned into a recalcitrant liberal."  Again that is what you said, not me.  See a pattern?

This is why I despise partisans so much, because they assume that everyone else is a partisan (kind of like fanboys, come to think of it), and thus assume that because they hold one position or opinion they hew to the orthodoxy of every conservative or liberal position.  As we see in your example, because I express a knowledgeable viewpoint that doesn't adhere to your liberal viewpoint, you assume I have a down-the-line conservative viewpoint.  I guess it's the only option since you can't argue with me about Emanuel other than to point to the recent fawning articles (again, designed to ingratiate reporters with the new chief of staff).

 

I'm just gonna repost what you said:

elprincipe said:

"It's sad, although not unexpected, that a "post-partisan/bipartisan" President-elect Obama has chosen one of the most vicious partisan hacks in the House of Representatives as his chief of staff. What next, Barbara Boxer for EPA? Jim McDermott for Defense? Jim Moran for HUD? I can't wait to see what hypocrisy surfaces next, or on second thought maybe I can."

I never claimed you were a partisan or even a conservative.  Hell, you could have supported Hillary Clinton for all I know.  And where in your posts is there any kind of information you are posting to support your viewpoint?  I can claim my position is knowledgeable because I read other sources too.  But its not like that does any good if I don't bring any information to the table.  Just because you said it I should automatically take you at your word?

The original post had no inflammatory language in it whatsoever.  You come in and tear the choice apart without providing any information whatsoever to support your claim.  You accuse me of acting like a partisan or a fanboy when you obviously came into the thread with little intention of encouraging a debate based on facts, since you didn't provide any.  That's like me posting an article about a video game, you coming in and saying the video game sucks and that the developer has turned into a piece of shit yet you say very little about the actual game itself.  Then you get mad when someone responds to your inflammatory post in an inflammatory way?  That is hypocrisy.

Its not about whether or not you are a partisan, its about whether or not you make claims with evidence to support them.  You act like you have done no wrong here, and are misdirecting all the blame back to me.  You came into the thread with nothing constructive to say yet you blame me for saying something about it.  Its like starting a fight with someone who did nothing to you and then pissing and moaning when they hit you back.

 

 

Get out of town.  You're the one who said I was assuming "Obama was a recalcitrant liberal" as well as other things.  You're the one that questioned my opinion, offerering your sole bit of evidence to refute what I said: an article sucking up to Emanuel.  You act as if I'm not lauding the choice I "don't have anything constructive to say."  Now I get it: you only expect people in your threads to agree with you.  Okay, you should have noted that in the OP if you didn't really want to talk about the selection and instead wanted to brown-nose Emanuel and Obama.  Carry on.



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I am not going to label Obama a hypocrite as I never believed his bipartisan bunkum. Although, I imagine Obama will be willing to nominate (or retain) certain Republicans for his cabinet. Anyways, I believe selecting Emanuel was an astute decision. He was an effective Chair of the Campaign Committee, and he should prove invaluable if Obama needs to "get tough" with any congressional Democrats.



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bigjon said:
to add, why did he not pick this guy over Biden? I would have been way more open to a Obama/ Emanuelle ticket.

Biden was purely for his foreign policy experience to offset McCain's experience.  If he'd have known that McCain was going to pick Palin, I think he probably would have gone in a different direction

 



Jackson50 said:
I am not going to label Obama a hypocrite as I never believed his bipartisan bunkum. Although, I imagine Obama will be willing to nominate (or retain) certain Republicans for his cabinet. Anyways, I believe selecting Emanuel was an astute decision. He was an effective Chair of the Campaign Committee, and he should prove invaluable if Obama needs to "get tough" with any congressional Democrats.

What president hasn't kept around a few people of the other party.  The question is... will he do it for any meanginful position.

I mean, Akuma mentions Colin Powell for the Department of Education... which honestly, is only second to Vice Presidet in the level of "uselessness."

Well actually they spend money and get no results while the VP doesn't... so really VP is above Department of Ed i guess.

 



Kasz216 said:What president hasn't kept around a few people of the other party.  The question is... will he do it for any meanginful position.

I mean, Akuma mentions Colin Powell for the Department of Education... which honestly, is only second to Vice Presidet in the level of "uselessness."

Well actually they spend money and get no results while the VP doesn't... so really VP is above Department of Ed i guess.

I have heard rumors that Obama is considering a few Republicans for prominent positions. Either Chuck Hagel or Dick Luger for Secretary of State. I have heard Robert Zoellick mentioned as a candidate for a few different positions, but I do not foresee Obama nominating Zoellick. One of the more intriguing rumored nominees is William Weld for Attorney General. 

 



I think your missing the progressive plan, building a government, social, and economic plan around sustainability and stability.

Secretary of Education will become one of the more important cabinet positions under Obama.

Remember guys, you're the ones who think he's a Socialist. Socialists like schools.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
I think your missing the progressive plan, building a government, social, and economic plan around sustainability and stability.

Secretary of Education will become one of the more important cabinet positions under Obama.

Remember guys, you're the ones who think he's a Socialist. Socialists like schools.

Is he going to start federalizing schools?  Cause as it stands now the Secretary of Education is nothing but a glorfied check writer.