I felt compelled to post this video regarding the end of drug prohibition. This video features highlights from a longer video, but the main points are addressed. The video features Milton Friedman. Friedman is one of the greatest economic minds of the 20th century.
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Hawkeye said:
Becuase there are 200 million americans who have been drikning alchol for pretty much their entire lives and would violently oppose outlawing alchol. People are used to drinking it and would just bootleg/buy bootlegs. Now that society is used to alchol, it will never go away. |
That may be so, but doesn't that make the rationale for keeping marijuana illegal, because its dangerous even though its actually less dangerous than alcohol, completely irrational? I mean that is like legalizing LSD but keeping marijuana illegal.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
Wow, Milton Friedman is now a badass in my eyes after watching that video. How ironic is it that he is so many conservative people's hero, the same conservative people who can't stand drugs?
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Whoa, do I come off as European 'cuz I'm naked? Hell yeah. I was born in Pasadena, CA, a suburb of Los Angeles, and I lived in some L.A. suburbs, then in downtown Boston, then in the Highland Park neighborhood of Los Angeles (amazing El Salvadorean food everywhere), and now I'm on the border of Oakland and Emeryville, CA, going to UC Berkeley. I've passed out drunk in my own house and had a total stranger tell my band he could shoot me up with speed to wake me back up. (They politely told him to stay the fuck away from me.) I haven't been to New Jersey, but I doubt it's as hardcore as downtown L.A. or downtown Oakland, which has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country. Somebody got shot on my street in February, a couple houses down, across the street from a daycare center. I've been offered heroin on the street in San Francisco. I'm in the ghetto and loving every minute of it. (Splitting a $485 room with my lady right now.) But a couple wackos, or even a shitload of wackos, doesn't ruin my argument. More people die in car accidents than drug accidents. Yet driving remains legal. More people accidentally get shot when they own guns than when they don't own guns. Yet owning guns remains legal. There are tons of things that are legal but stupid, and we can't make it illegal to do stupid things, or else it would be illegal to argue on VGChartz all the time. @2nd bolded part: Nicotine is more addictive than any other drug except for heroin. They're supposedly tied as the 2 most addictive substances around. They're both more addictive than cocaine or Pop-Tarts or marijuana. And yet nicotine is supposed to be the most socially acceptable drug and heroin is supposed to be the naughtiest drug. Nobody is arguing to say "fuck the people who get addicted." We'll still have rehab clinics and friends and family who can offer moral support to anybody trying to kick any type of addiction. But what I want is the right and the freedom to put whatever I want into my own body, whether it's good for me or not. If the argument is "but it's bad for you" then you should also outlaw McDonald's, because that stuff is unhealthy, causes obesity (and diabetes) and all the fried stuff at fast food restaurants causes cancer. The medical bills related to obesity related to fast food tears more families apart than marijuana does. And the drug laws have nothing to do with health anyway. Doctors and scientists have listed every drug in order of unhealthiness, and our laws seem completely random in comparison. If the argument is "but what about the kids?" then I guess I'll just raise my own kids, so that won't be a problem. @3rd bolded part: The funny thing about human beings is that they can take care of their survival needs really really fast and then they have a ton of leisure time. All I need to survive is a job at supermarket so I can pay my rent and buy my food. Everything else I do in my life is not for survival. I don't go to college to survive. I actually like learning. I don't need the internet to survive. I really don't see what you were getting at with this paragraph, unless you're telling kids to get off your lawn 'cuz back in your day people got stuff done? |
I'll respond to your points as numbers to each of the bolded parts, for simplicity's sake.
1- For the past 5-6 years, Camden, NJ has been rated as the most dangerous city in the country. Irvington has been at #3 for a few years, but constantly within the top 10 for the past decade. Oh as for rent/living situation - 4 bedroom house, 3 roomates, one of the richest towns in NJ, $487/month. You can have your cake and eat it too. ;) As for the European thing, I recall an old post where I thought someone refered to you being in Spain or something. I stand corrected. Your from the west coast, even worse =P
2- Agreed on nicotine being the worst possible thing out there. I've lost more family and friends to cigarettes/smoking than anything else. I don't believe that people should be stopped from actively going out to destroy themselves - hell, I encourage it. I'm still banking on nuclear war to kill us all. It'd wipe out a lot of ignorance overall. The issue is not those who are using the drugs, but influencing others to use drugs. I've dated girls who had ex-boyfriends who did drugs and basically told them "if you love me, you'll do this with me" and got them into cocaine and stuff. Some effed up stuff, no? Sure, stupidity on the girl's part, but when you're only 16 you're not exactly brilliant. I say if you're hellbent on destroying yourself, don't pull anyone down with you. The problem is simple - only severe addicts like doing drugs alone. Most of the time its a social event, a gathering of friends, etc, and no one wants to feel left out or the odd one out and resist, especially on the teen level.
3 - Which brings me to my next point. You say you'll raise your kids on your own. How do you approach the situation then? Let them go out and experiment and f**k around with drugs too and hope they don't turn out to be addicts? Or tell them not to do drugs, and be a total hypocrite? It's a werid angle to take on it. I won't say I never did drugs or that I'm straight-edge, by any means. I've smoked weed too, and personally, I found drinking better. I gave up weed for my music, since it was straining my vocals and lyrical stamina. My point in regards to the 3rd paragraph was simple - it was more a question really - what drives people to drugs on their own accord, if at all? What makes you wake up and say, hey, Im going to take some E today? I don't think there is anything that does that, but you have to be introduced to drugs by someone already doing them. Which loops back to my initial point of focus, drug users who push /influence other people to use drugs.
At the end of it all, weed isn't such a major offense, personally, and think that the punishment doesn't fit the crime when someone is caught with a J in their pocket. Yet, what if weed becomes legalized? How long before people start pushing to get shrooms legalized, and so on? I think that weed sits on the illegal side of the fence because it is a floodgate from the more offensive drugs to be glamorized and pushed to be legalized. If weed remains taboo, people can deal with kids stoning out, and kids feel all rebelious and "sticking it to the man". What happens when cocaine is the main drug of choice because it is the new drug being pushed to be legalized, and the kids are doing that to be rebelious? You dig what I'm sayin?
The government makes too much money of it being illegal.
Its really obvious which drugs are bad and which ones are OK in moderation. I'm not really sure where the debate is.
Keep the bad ones that are already legal, legalize the ok ones that are illegal.
Coke and Heroin will always be bad though.
and bardic... if people want to be burnouts let them. Jeez. Its not like they are stealing to support their horrible addiction. At worst they sit around and do nothing. And if they are content sitting around doing nothing, who are you to decide that they can't do that?
[2:08:58 am] Moongoddess256: being asian makes you naturally good at ddr
[2:09:22 am] gnizmo: its a weird genetic thing
[2:09:30 am] gnizmo: goes back to hunting giant crabs in feudal Japan
We should legalize shrooms too, mescalin, and peyote, and any other natural hallucinogen. There is as much scientific evidence out there that these drugs are less dangerous than alcohol as there is that marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol.
They are all:
1) Non-toxic
2) Non-addictive
3) Do not encourage anti-social behavior (or at least don't encourage it to any degree more than alcohol does)
They do have psychological side effects, but so does watching a really scary movie or going to a haunted house. Alcohol is really one of the most dangerous drugs out there, people just think its OK because they've always been told it is OK.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| Moongoddess256 said: Its really obvious which drugs are bad and which ones are OK in moderation. I'm not really sure where the debate is. Keep the bad ones that are already legal, legalize the ok ones that are illegal. Coke and Heroin will always be bad though. |
That and barbiturates, amphetamines, methamphetamines, methadone, ketamine, benzodiazepines, many solvents, and a few others. Those are all illegal for good reason.
But just about everything else minus chemically engineered drugs should be legalized. There is also plenty of good reason to regulate chemically engineered drugs. Hell, the strongest opiate out there is man-made, Demerol. Morphine is just heroin in a form that doesn't hit your body all at once.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
| Moongoddess256 said:
and bardic... if people want to be burnouts let them. Jeez. Its not like they are stealing to support their horrible addiction. At worst they sit around and do nothing. And if they are content sitting around doing nothing, who are you to decide that they can't do that? |
Oh thats simple to answer. See, when people become burnouts, they fail to be productive. If they are big enough burnouts, they end up losing their jobs, and then they go on welfare programs all sorts of fun stuff, and guess how those programs are funded? By the taxes of productive people, the working class. So at the end of the discussion, people being burnouts and useless in society and the world directly comes into play. Maybe we should just stop offering welfare and rehab, and let them happily rot away and die unnoticed? Is that a better option?
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