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bardicverse on 10 November 2008
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The Ghost of RubangB said:
bardicverse said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

So you want to cut off people from the rest of society who don't agree with you? What the fuck?

Personally, I'm tired of people like you who have met a couple assholes who use drugs and suddenly decide all drug users are assholes. What about people who drink too much coffee and it really makes them an asshole? They're all over the place, especially at the restaurants I've worked at. People would be mad at me for not drinking coffee, saying I work too slow and I really need a pick-me-up to stay on my toes. One guy who was training me would have a coffee and a couple sodas, and then he'd feel like he's working faster, but he'd get all jittery and forget stuff and drop shit. Caffiene is a highly addictive mind-altering DRUG that can and does make people assholes. Should we put everybody who drinks coffee in your little "sub-colony"?

I'm sick and tired of people always asking me for a smoke or for a light everywhere I go, and all these assholes who smoke on the steps right outside the buildings at shool, right in front of the signs that say it's illegal to smoke within 20 feet of the buildings. I think all smokers should be rolled up in a giant rug and thrown into the Arctic. Fuck yeah.

A couple, Rubang? How about being thrown into an entire town that has been torn apart by rampant drug use, to the point that 10 year olds are hooked on drugs in school? What about 6th graders running around naked because they're tripping on E? From what I understand, you're not here in the US, but if you do visit, come to East Philadelphia, or Camden, NJ or Irvington, NJ. Then you can truly get an understanding of what happens when drugs become the mainstay of a community. I've seen things in this life that I pray that no one else has to witness. So, don't go telling me that I've "met a couple assholes who use drugs", when you have NO effin clue of where I've been or what I've seen.

Akuma - People can become addicted to many things easily via their genetics or brain patterns. Some things tend to have stronger effects. Take nicotine for example - how many smokers are out there that just can't kick the habit because they get terrible headaches from nicotine withdrawal? The same is the affect with stronger drugs, like cocaine. The chemicals within are much harder than resist than say, an addiction to Pop-Tarts. Would it then be the better idea to legalize drugs because some people DON'T get addicted, and just say "f**k the people who DO get addicted"? Is that going to keep your 10 year old son safe from getting addicted to drugs because his brain is wired for addiction?

The sad end of the story is that people get into drugs in the first place to try and fit in, to be cool, or to experiment with something that has absolutely no positive contribution to the world. There is no natural reason nor need to do drugs. You don't need them for survival, they offer no bodily nourishment, and despite what some think, do not enhance your usefulness in society or the world at all. Despite what some may think, the world is not there to entertain them. I'm sorry if people are bored in their little suburban communities and have nothing better to do. Im sure you can find something else to do than get into drugs - read a book, write a book, learn a new language, make a new trick up on your bike or skateboard. There's a world of possibilites instead of becoming another unproductive person in an overcrowded world

Whoa, do I come off as European 'cuz I'm naked?  Hell yeah.

I was born in Pasadena, CA, a suburb of Los Angeles, and I lived in some L.A. suburbs, then in downtown Boston, then in the Highland Park neighborhood of Los Angeles (amazing El Salvadorean food everywhere), and now I'm on the border of Oakland and Emeryville, CA, going to UC Berkeley.  I've passed out drunk in my own house and had a total stranger tell my band he could shoot me up with speed to wake me back up.  (They politely told him to stay the fuck away from me.)  I haven't been to New Jersey, but I doubt it's as hardcore as downtown L.A. or downtown Oakland, which has one of the highest violent crime rates in the country.  Somebody got shot on my street in February, a couple houses down, across the street from a daycare center.  I've been offered heroin on the street in San Francisco.  I'm in the ghetto and loving every minute of it.  (Splitting a $485 room with my lady right now.)

But a couple wackos, or even a shitload of wackos, doesn't ruin my argument.  More people die in car accidents than drug accidents.  Yet driving remains legal.  More people accidentally get shot when they own guns than when they don't own guns.  Yet owning guns remains legal.  There are tons of things that are legal but stupid, and we can't make it illegal to do stupid things, or else it would be illegal to argue on VGChartz all the time.

@2nd bolded part:

Nicotine is more addictive than any other drug except for heroin.  They're supposedly tied as the 2 most addictive substances around.  They're both more addictive than cocaine or Pop-Tarts or marijuana.  And yet nicotine is supposed to be the most socially acceptable drug and heroin is supposed to be the naughtiest drug.

Nobody is arguing to say "fuck the people who get addicted."  We'll still have rehab clinics and friends and family who can offer moral support to anybody trying to kick any type of addiction.  But what I want is the right and the freedom to put whatever I want into my own body, whether it's good for me or not.  If the argument is "but it's bad for you" then you should also outlaw McDonald's, because that stuff is unhealthy, causes obesity (and diabetes) and all the fried stuff at fast food restaurants causes cancer.  The medical bills related to obesity related to fast food tears more families apart than marijuana does.  And the drug laws have nothing to do with health anyway.  Doctors and scientists have listed every drug in order of unhealthiness, and our laws seem completely random in comparison.   If the argument is "but what about the kids?" then I guess I'll just raise my own kids, so that won't be a problem.

@3rd bolded part:

The funny thing about human beings is that they can take care of their survival needs really really fast and then they have a ton of leisure time.  All I need to survive is a job at supermarket so I can pay my rent and buy my food.  Everything else I do in my life is not for survival.  I don't go to college to survive.  I actually like learning.  I don't need the internet to survive.  I really don't see what you were getting at with this paragraph, unless you're telling kids to get off your lawn 'cuz back in your day people got stuff done?

I'll respond to your points as numbers to each of the bolded parts, for simplicity's sake.

1- For the past 5-6 years, Camden, NJ has been rated as the most dangerous city in the country. Irvington has been at #3 for a few years, but constantly within the top 10 for the past decade. Oh as for rent/living situation - 4 bedroom house, 3 roomates, one of the richest towns in NJ, $487/month. You can have your cake and eat it too. ;) As for the European thing, I recall an old post where I thought someone refered to you being in Spain or something. I stand corrected. Your from the west coast, even worse =P

2- Agreed on nicotine being the worst possible thing out there. I've lost more family and friends to cigarettes/smoking than anything else. I don't believe that people should be stopped from actively going out to destroy themselves - hell, I encourage it. I'm still banking on nuclear war to kill us all. It'd wipe out a lot of ignorance overall. The issue is not those who are using the drugs, but influencing others to use drugs. I've dated girls who had ex-boyfriends who did drugs and basically told them "if you love me, you'll do this with me" and got them into cocaine and stuff. Some effed up stuff, no? Sure, stupidity on the girl's part, but when you're only 16 you're not exactly brilliant. I say if you're hellbent on destroying yourself, don't pull anyone down with you. The problem is simple - only severe addicts like doing drugs alone. Most of the time its a social event, a gathering of friends, etc, and no one wants to feel left out or the odd one out and resist, especially on the teen level.

3 - Which brings me to my next point. You say you'll raise your kids on your own. How do you approach the situation then? Let them go out and experiment and f**k around with drugs too and hope they don't turn out to be addicts? Or tell them not to do drugs, and be a total hypocrite? It's a werid angle to take on it. I won't say I never did drugs or that I'm straight-edge, by any means. I've smoked weed too, and personally, I found drinking better. I gave up weed for my music, since it was straining my vocals and lyrical stamina. My point in regards to the 3rd paragraph was simple - it was more a question really - what drives people to drugs on their own accord, if at all? What makes you wake up and say, hey, Im going to take some E today? I don't think there is anything that does that, but you have to be introduced to drugs by someone already doing them. Which loops back to my initial point of focus, drug users who push /influence other people to use drugs.

At the end of it all, weed isn't such a major offense, personally, and think that the punishment doesn't fit the crime when someone is caught with a J in their pocket. Yet, what if weed becomes legalized? How long before people start pushing to get shrooms legalized, and so on? I think that weed sits on the illegal side of the fence because it is a floodgate from the more offensive drugs to be glamorized and pushed to be legalized. If weed remains taboo, people can deal with kids stoning out, and kids feel all rebelious and "sticking it to the man". What happens when cocaine is the main drug of choice because it is the new drug being pushed to be legalized, and the kids are doing that to be rebelious? You dig what I'm sayin?