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Esmoreit on 11 November 2008
megaman79 said:
BengaBenga said:
Coming from the great liberal country of the Netherlands where Mariuana is legal (well, sort of up to 5 grammes is allowed) and can be sold in our famous Coffeeshops I support more countries that want to legalize.

Reasons are:

People that want to smoke can buy it in a controlled environment. This way they don't have to buy it from a dealer. Dealers also deal in all other kinds of stuff, like harddrugs. Legalizing softdrugs is a way to minimize softdrugs to hardrugs transitions. The number of hardrugs users in the Netherlands is lower than in a lot of other countries, including the strict US.

If softdrugs are legal, it's less cool to use them. People can try without the anxiety of doing something illegal.


I had a great conversation with a coffee shop girl in Amsterdam. She made me feel so guilty going on about pot addicts, tourists, alcoholism and its similarities. Shes right and the rest of the world has got to catch up clearly.

Conclusion i dk how these young Dutch feel about their country being a whore and drug tourist destination (probably frustrated) but i got the impression that they see their own people differently and theyre not all pot users.

Marijuana addiction should be openly discussed and treated, legalising it would certainly aid treatment.

 

As i'm now living in Amsterdam and with 22 years old are what you'd call a young Dutch person, I think I can answer this one. Hardly anyone minds and most people are pro-coffeeshop and pro-prostitutes. It is what makes Amsterdam Amsterdam. The tourists we hardly mind though it depends on nationality. Drunken stupid ass Brits are usually ignored if not downright loathed. The Americans which are usually pretty much enthusiastic and impressed generally liked and sort of cuddled (we always find them cute) and Germans aren't even being noticed anymore...

That they all come for prostitutes, drugs and alcohol (and alright, sightseeing) we don't mind. It makes sure that these things can keep on going and the economy flourishes.

That is also why I was so antagonistic against these new ideas for closing down the coffeeshops on the first page.

 



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megaman79 on 11 November 2008

maybe i just met the wrong girl, amsterdam's only non smoking coffee shop employee



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

megaman79 on 11 November 2008
Esmoreit said:
megaman79 said:
BengaBenga said:
Coming from the great liberal country of the Netherlands where Mariuana is legal (well, sort of up to 5 grammes is allowed) and can be sold in our famous Coffeeshops I support more countries that want to legalize.

Reasons are:

People that want to smoke can buy it in a controlled environment. This way they don't have to buy it from a dealer. Dealers also deal in all other kinds of stuff, like harddrugs. Legalizing softdrugs is a way to minimize softdrugs to hardrugs transitions. The number of hardrugs users in the Netherlands is lower than in a lot of other countries, including the strict US.

If softdrugs are legal, it's less cool to use them. People can try without the anxiety of doing something illegal.


I had a great conversation with a coffee shop girl in Amsterdam. She made me feel so guilty going on about pot addicts, tourists, alcoholism and its similarities. Shes right and the rest of the world has got to catch up clearly.

Conclusion i dk how these young Dutch feel about their country being a whore and drug tourist destination (probably frustrated) but i got the impression that they see their own people differently and theyre not all pot users.

Marijuana addiction should be openly discussed and treated, legalising it would certainly aid treatment.

 

As i'm now living in Amsterdam and with 22 years old are what you'd call a young Dutch person, I think I can answer this one. Hardly anyone minds and most people are pro-coffeeshop and pro-prostitutes. It is what makes Amsterdam Amsterdam. The tourists we hardly mind though it depends on nationality. Drunken stupid ass Brits are usually ignored if not downright loathed. The Americans which are usually pretty much enthusiastic and impressed generally liked and sort of cuddled (we always find them cute) and Germans aren't even being noticed anymore...

That they all come for prostitutes, drugs and alcohol (and alright, sightseeing) we don't mind. It makes sure that these things can keep on going and the economy flourishes.

That is also why I was so antagonistic against these new ideas for closing down the coffeeshops on the first page.

 

 

Dont forget architecture, spent more time stoned and wandering around Rotterdam and De Haag than Amsterdam



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

Cueil on 11 November 2008

If it wasn't for the economic power that backs both Alcohol and nicotine I'd say do away with both. The truth is that they don't help anyone and none of these other f'n drugs help anyone here... if used properly these drugs can be useful medicinally, but just smoking so much weed you look like a person with severe nerve damage isn't useful. Personally if I was in power... I'd have you killed for a 3rd offense as a drug user... no matter what the drug was... if used in an inappropriate way. That goes for everyone... even p diddy and Brett Farve



 
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megaman79 on 11 November 2008

Then theres this, a gene that makes you more likely to have cocaine addiction.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/nov/11/drugs-drugsandalcohol



“When we make some new announcement and if there is no positive initial reaction from the market, I try to think of it as a good sign because that can be interpreted as people reacting to something groundbreaking. ...if the employees were always minding themselves to do whatever the market is requiring at any moment, and if they were always focusing on something we can sell right now for the short term, it would be very limiting. We are trying to think outside the box.” - Satoru Iwata - This is why corporate multinationals will never truly understand, or risk doing, what Nintendo does.

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The Ghost of RubangB on 11 November 2008
Cueil said:
If it wasn't for the economic power that backs both Alcohol and nicotine I'd say do away with both. The truth is that they don't help anyone and none of these other f'n drugs help anyone here... if used properly these drugs can be useful medicinally, but just smoking so much weed you look like a person with severe nerve damage isn't useful. Personally if I was in power... I'd have you killed for a 3rd offense as a drug user... no matter what the drug was... if used in an inappropriate way. That goes for everyone... even p diddy and Brett Farve

You would murder people for hurting themselves?

What if they don't do drugs but they just want to cut off their own toes?

I'm just wondering if you'd have the same punishment for people who injure themselves with knives and people who injure themselves with pills.



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Aj_habfan on 11 November 2008

From what I hear, you kids aren't using your paper for writing but for rolling dubees! You'll be doing a lot of dubee rolling, when you're living in a van, down by the river!



bardicverse on 11 November 2008

Hmm after several good points, I see what most are inferring. Store purchased weed takes the power for the recreational stuff out of shady people's hands, and puts them into a corporate bracket of consumable goods. This actually makes sense, keeping people away from shifty sources, and also controls product quality. I also agree that toking and drinking are really just different methods to attain pretty much the same effect.

I would infer a point though - a middle ground. Legalization of the green stuff, but an outright ban on the sale/peddling of other drugs. Dealers get caught - capital punishment. Keeps the hard stuff away, and keeps the stoners happy.



bouzane on 11 November 2008
bardicverse said:
Hmm after several good points, I see what most are inferring. Store purchased weed takes the power for the recreational stuff out of shady people's hands, and puts them into a corporate bracket of consumable goods. This actually makes sense, keeping people away from shifty sources, and also controls product quality. I also agree that toking and drinking are really just different methods to attain pretty much the same effect.

I would infer a point though - a middle ground. Legalization of the green stuff, but an outright ban on the sale/peddling of other drugs. Dealers get caught - capital punishment. Keeps the hard stuff away, and keeps the stoners happy.

 

You would have my life taken because you believe that all dealers are "shady" and that qualifies them for capital punishment? You're a monster.



bardicverse on 11 November 2008
bouzane said:
bardicverse said:
Hmm after several good points, I see what most are inferring. Store purchased weed takes the power for the recreational stuff out of shady people's hands, and puts them into a corporate bracket of consumable goods. This actually makes sense, keeping people away from shifty sources, and also controls product quality. I also agree that toking and drinking are really just different methods to attain pretty much the same effect.

I would infer a point though - a middle ground. Legalization of the green stuff, but an outright ban on the sale/peddling of other drugs. Dealers get caught - capital punishment. Keeps the hard stuff away, and keeps the stoners happy.

 

You would have my life taken because you believe that all dealers are "shady" and that qualifies them for capital punishment? You're a monster.

No, did you read the post properly? If marijuana was made legal, and out of the hands of dealers on the street, leaving them to push only hard drugs like cocaine, heroin, etc, and those drugs were continued to be contraband, then a harder punishment would be enacted to keep those harder drugs off of the streets. Of course, I also believe that murder, rape, child molestation should all be punished via capital punishment. I am a strong advocate that crimes oft go too softly punished, and those punishments are not a deterrent enough to stop people from committing them. Think about it - if you knew you could die for selling cocaine, would you still do it? Or would you go legit and only sell weed (granted it was legalized)?