MikeB said: @ noname2200 *logical post*

I'm with you. Which is part of what confuses me so much about why "tie ratios" are ever brought up; it's a statistic that makes the market leader seem weaker than the others.

Looking at tie ratios, one would conclude that the PS2 was the weakest console last generation. That's obviously not the case! Yet in one statistic, the greatest software-seller ends up looking pathetic on teh software front. Need we say anything more?

But I've repeatedly registered my opinion on the uselessness of tie ratios, in vain, so I suppose there's no point in saying it yet again.

 

It won't be last for a that long anymore, come Christmas this year, I expect Wii to be last.

@ Comrade Tovya

Agreed, that sucks. IMO a console should be relatively worry free (hardware failures, disc scratching and basic upgrades or subscription to enable pretty basic functionality) and it's the most important reason why I don't like the 360 as a game console (in addition to noise generation).

Your PS2 drive may not have been dead actually. Due to drive vibration it's often the case a screw gets loose (like the famous c64 data recorder screw problems from the past). If that's the case you can easily fix it yourself if out of warranty, there are many shops which will take care of this for you relatively cheaply.

noname2200 said: MikeB said: @ noname2200 *logical post* I'm with you. Which is part of what confuses me so much about why "tie ratios" are ever brought up; it's a statistic that makes the market leader seem weaker than the others. Looking at tie ratios, one would conclude that the PS2 was the weakest console last generation. That's obviously not the case! Yet in one statistic, the greatest software-seller ends up looking pathetic on teh software front. Need we say anything more? But I've repeatedly registered my opinion on the uselessness of tie ratios, in vain, so I suppose there's no point in saying it yet again.

I certainly agree with you on this... I've bought 3 PS2 consoles since they were released, and bought around 30 games for it.   But the attach rate for my household is not 10:1 (as 3 consoles with 30 games would suggest) but really 30:1.  My two older PS2 consoles are invariably dead, but I still bought the other two, so it is dragging down the numbers as result of having to buy a third console.

Also, I intend on buying another XBOX 360 for my 7 year old son, and another PS3 for my game room (as a Blu-ray player).  So by default, I am cutting our household "attach rate" in half on both HD consoles.

Attach rates work well if you buy one console with 'X' number on games, but the numbers get skewed the second you factor in duplicate players for the same households (as long as the games are shared of course).

 

The deserted feeling of PSN was the only thing that was making it hard for me to get a PS3, and even after I got one, I still question it. I even overheard a random person at my school talking about how hard it can be to find others in GTA4's multiplayer. Online play is the thing that keeps me playing a game most of the time - if I'm gonna have problems trying to find others to play with online, I'm gonna be really really dissapointed. I prefer most of the PS3 games compared to 360, but it Sony isn't gonna improve the PSN, then I'll definitely have to switch to 360 eventually. Being in the US also makes this even harder since everyone and their dog has a 360.

Home is one of the reasons why I'm staying with the ps3 - I'm hoping it'll greatly improve the PSN. The way things are now, PSN is really lacking when it comes to social features. I never really considered Live's subscription fee a bad thing since you get your money's worth. PSN really needs to catch up.

MikeB said: @ Comrade Tovya But then again, had my PS2 DVD drive not died on me, and had I not been ignored by Sony when I called them about the issue, I probablly never would have bought an original XBOX to begin with. Actually, that's kind of funny really... because had my XBOX 360 not RROD'd on me, I never would have used my PS3 as a gaming machine and bought the 3 games I've bought for it in the last 3 weeks. The moral of the story? Broken hardware sucks. LOL Agreed, that sucks. IMO a console should be relatively worry free (hardware failures, disc scratching and basic upgrades or subscription to enable pretty basic functionality) and it's the most important reason why I don't like the 360 as a game console (in addition to noise generation). Your PS2 drive may not have been dead actually. Due to drive vibration it's often the case a screw gets loose (like the famous c64 data recorder screw problems from the past). If that's the case you can easily fix it yourself if out of warranty, there are many shops which will take care of this for you relatively cheaply.

 

No doubt.  Bad hardware does suck.

As for the repair on the PS2, yeah I realize that now (but didn't 8-years ago when it happened).

Anyway, it doesn't matter anymore because I have a PS3 to play my old games, and a new slim-line PS2 that my kid plays.

To break it down, the PS3 wins in reliability, Blu-ray capabilities, and techincal superiority (even though no one has yet tapped into its superior specs, but no doubt will... therefore lengthening the life of my $500.00 console)

The XBOX 360 win with XBOX Live, great tech support, and has a few exclusive titles that happen to be my favorite games of all time.

So what does this mean?  It's good to be fortunate enough to own both systems!  That means I get to enjoy the best of both worlds.  But Sony does hold an edge because all it has to fix is the PSN and make their tech support better... Microsoft's XBOX 360 is what it is... the 360 console that I own will never play Blu-rays or have superior tech specs.  So get on the ball Sony and give me a reason to adopt only your product in the next console generation!

1- The Wii has a higher attach rate than the PS3 without Wii Sports
2-That doesn't mean that the PS3 ain't sell software, it just mean that the Wii sells a lot of it
3- The lead console ALWAYS has the worst attach rate so the Wii not being in last place of attach rate just shows what i said that the Wii is very good at selling software (so don't bring userbase in this discussion)
4- Why do you really care if your console has or not the biggest attach rate? What really matters is the profit that the software makes, not how it sells.

ive bought 9 or ten games so i dont think i follow the trend and ive had mine since the summer after launch