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With the Democrats winning at least 6 Senate seats and 19 seats in the House.. Do you think that Barrack Obama being the most liberal and Joe Biden being the third most liberal Senator in Congress actually helped them win the election?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/sen/lib.htm



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I pray for the day when Americans learn what the word Liberal means.



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Not to offend you, but I am growing tired of this idiotic claim that Obama is the most liberal senator. I have attempted to dissuade people from this, but they do not listen.



Define: Liberal



Social liberals support heavier taxation and regulation of society, and more state enterprises, than other forms of liberalism (particularly classical liberalism). Moreover, the accumulation of wealth by a small group is seen as the consolidation of power within a small faction of society and perforce a threat to liberty.

Liberalism and Other Writings. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
American Liberalism: An Interpretation for Our Time. Chapel Hill, NC: North Carolina University Press.
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Well at least your separating Classical Liberalism from Reformist Liberalism. That's the first step to healing the United States' butchering of identifying ideologies.



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stof said:
I pray for the day when Americans learn what the word Liberal means.

Conservative and Liberal are ambiguous in every country.  Liberal politically means (in modern terms) they support a market where natural forces rule but the roughnesses of the natural state of the economy is limited and controlled by government action.  Conservative politically means THE SAME THING.  The madness is in the methods.

The fact of the matter is Americans are very conservative (in the social meaning of the word), even the ones who think they are liberal aren't.  Socially, conservative means that there is resistance to social or political change.  Americans are generally socially conservative because they are comfortable.  Even the unemployed, un-health-cared, have it pretty good so they don't push to hard for extreme change out of fear of something worse.

Into the main topic:  That's why Obama had to define a lot of change as something that was slight in degree, familiar, and safe.

Look at his change:

Not a believer that the government is good at doing things, he supports subsidizing and regulating privatized health care so everyone can afford it and no one is denied medical service that they need.  He also wants to reduce abuse and increase efficiency, to cut down on costs to consumers and the providers.  That is why the providers were unofficially endorsing him.

The military will still be the best in the world but an emphasis on the RIGHT equipment, training, and information systems to get the jobs done.  He was endorsed by Powell, so I assume he's heard of the Powell Doctorine.  Make sure the military is given accomplishable goals and is given the resources to use overwhelming force.

etc...

 

I know, I know.  He already won, I don't need to sell it anymore.  I'm just so excited to have such a capable president elect lined up to take office in January.



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

It took me a few moments to find the file I saved this link in, but I found it. This is a more thorough study of the roll calls from 2007. As it demonstrates, and as most people who follow politics should know, Obama is not the most liberal senator. That distinction should go to either Russ Feingold or Bernie Sanders-a self-described socialist.

http://voteview.com/sen110.htm



lol, it always brings a smile to my face when Americans talk about left-wing-liberals. In Europe most liberals are right-wing, but not as right as the Democrats (let alone the Republicans).

A little bit of worldview wouldn't mind. But I guess than the US would be like Canada (sorry stof).



@ Benga. I think there is a slight difference between Yanks and Canuks. Yanks think Liberals are socialists. Canadians think Liberals are the price you have to pay to stop conservatives.



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