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Kulle said:
johnsobas said:
Kulle said:

Well as far as I know, this site counts retail -> customer. I prefer that over shipped figures. If those figures are not complete, Wii is not the only platform which has that problem. Still my numbers give you a pretty good picture about third party sales on all platforms.

 

He's right though the first party numbers are far more complete than the 3rd party ones.  Shipped is the number that is important to the companies making the games.  It's better to have a solid number from a financial statement even if it is shipped over an incomplete and estimated number from our site.

Well I don't think so, retailers might be a bit hesitant to buy more games if the old ones just sit on the shelves. I'll stand by my numbers. :)

 

We dont' know how many are sitting on the shelves, you can't use an incomplete estimated number and a shipped number to find how many are sitting on shelves.  However, It would only be natural that wii would have more on shelves though  because it has far more shelf space WW.

 



currently playing: Skyward Sword, Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X

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johnsobas said:
Kulle said:
johnsobas said:
Kulle said:

Well as far as I know, this site counts retail -> customer. I prefer that over shipped figures. If those figures are not complete, Wii is not the only platform which has that problem. Still my numbers give you a pretty good picture about third party sales on all platforms.

 

He's right though the first party numbers are far more complete than the 3rd party ones.  Shipped is the number that is important to the companies making the games.  It's better to have a solid number from a financial statement even if it is shipped over an incomplete and estimated number from our site.

Well I don't think so, retailers might be a bit hesitant to buy more games if the old ones just sit on the shelves. I'll stand by my numbers. :)

 

We dont' know how many are sitting on the shelves, you can't use an incomplete estimated number and a shipped number to find how many are sitting on shelves.  However, It would only be natural that wii would have more on shelves though  because it has far more shelf space WW.

 

Of course it would not be the exact number but that is the closest you can get. It is just easier to go with the sold to customers numbers. Do you consider for example too human a million seller if it has sold over million to retailers? :)



maybe it's not yet but it will be. If it shipped a million it will sell a million, that is the minimum amount it can sell.



currently playing: Skyward Sword, Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X

Not bad. Doesn't help PS3 or Wii though considering 360 has been out longer but still not bad.

I think the best thing to get out of this though is that all 3 have really unusually high attach ratios to show just how huge this gen has been.



johnsobas said:
maybe it's not yet but it will be. If it shipped a million it will sell a million, that is the minimum amount it can sell.

 

Don't you mean maximum?



 

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vdoesntforgive said:
johnsobas said:
maybe it's not yet but it will be. If it shipped a million it will sell a million, that is the minimum amount it can sell.

 

Don't you mean maximum?

no i don't, but that may end up being the situation with this particular game.  Bottom line is he is just cherry picking 1 situation where they overshipped as if that represents all retailers and all games.  Usually with wii games it is the other way around, they ship far too few, or they only order them a few at a time and they sell for a long time.  360 and PS3 games like too human are far more likely to overship for that reason.



currently playing: Skyward Sword, Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X

Anyway, with less than 6 or 7 games on their console, we could say that most Wii, PS3, and 360 owners are "casual gamers"



Kulle said:
johnsobas said:
Kulle said:

Well as far as I know, this site counts retail -> customer. I prefer that over shipped figures. If those figures are not complete, Wii is not the only platform which has that problem. Still my numbers give you a pretty good picture about third party sales on all platforms.

 

He's right though the first party numbers are far more complete than the 3rd party ones.  Shipped is the number that is important to the companies making the games.  It's better to have a solid number from a financial statement even if it is shipped over an incomplete and estimated number from our site.

Well I don't think so, retailers might be a bit hesitant to buy more games if the old ones just sit on the shelves. I'll stand by my numbers. :)

 

@bolded.... It is more advanced a problem for the Wii because all of Nintendo's 1st party games are tracked well on this site, only 4 of those 35 games don't have figures, and 2 are unreleased games.... leaving 31 with sales and 2 without. And nearly all of those with sales are well up to date (couple of exceptions like Battalion Wars II has no Europe sales for instance)

Sony and MS have in fact released more 1st party games for their respective consoles than Nintendo has, yet on here there are only 25 MS games with sales data and 29 for Sony (and more are incomplete compared to Nintendo)

(I am unsure but I think Nintendo has released about 35 games for Wii, MS about 3-4 more for X360, and Sony has released about 45 for PS3)

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If you want to talk sales rather than shimpents though, try the NPD charts released which show that the Wii 3rd party figures are well in excess of XB and PS3 at the Wiis age (obviously being a year older X360 still has a higher number of 3rd party titles sold overall in USA, but it won't be too long before Wii sales pass that too)

There you go ... and this is the USA where the X360 does best.

Yes the 3rd party attach ratio is smaller (Wii at the end of that graph should have about 13-13.5mil userbase compared to 7mil for X360) but you are wanting hard numbers right? well hard numbers give the Wii the advantage in all three territories.



to be fair those aren't hard numbers, they are still estimates, but at least they are complete numbers.



currently playing: Skyward Sword, Mario Sunshine, Xenoblade Chronicles X

Wow OP stop spamming your shitty site, just link to the article. We don't care about your game news directory site.